Fab news for single parents and those living alone !!

[Sunnydays123456]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52988840

@cyclingmad is it because you plan to dump your kids on her and she's enjoyed the break?

Everyone on here is going into raphsodies over taking their kids to their parents to give themselves a break and are not stopping to look at the wider picture: I'm sure some grandparents will be thrilled to see their grandchildren but many will not be so happy at yet again becoming a dumping ground.

Also, fear mongering nothing. It's over 50's that are in the high risk category, particularly if they have underlying conditions. Your mother has every right to be worried for her own health.

How about you see this situation from some else's point of view other than your own?

You all need to calm the F down.

It's single parent parent families that can form a bubble with one other household and shielders remain the same. Don't all get carried away at the thought of palming off your cherubs.

@FelicisNox over 50s??

@Movinghouse2015 I'm sorry but @tootyfruitypickle is wrong. You need to be a household with just one single adult (and also applies if you have children under 18) but as your 20yr old son is an adult, that makes you a two adult household, sorry :(

@birthdaybelle

It's simply because I understand that even as an intelligent person, scientists are smarter than me, and if a majority of people didn't follow the rules, then this would have been a lot worse than it has been.

I appreciate it's probably no different in terms of how safe it is, but I also appreciate that I am not armed with enough evidence to decide on what is and what isn't right

The rules aren't determined by science in any way, shape or form.

The scientists are definitely smarter than us! That's what I mean when I say - do your own risk assessment. Based on the science and logical thought.

By following the letter of boris's law you certainly aren't following science

@Movinghouse2015 is your partner living alone? If so he could come to your household?

@Sunnydays123456 I retired a couple of years ago and before lockdown I would stay 2-3 days (90 mins drive from home) per week with a friend on her farm helping out with the livestock & horses.
I belong to a hunt club and there are always fund raising events to attend which are great fun. I also volunteer at Point to Points & various equine events
throughout the year. Because my days are usually fairly busy then I'm quite happy to be on my own with my dog in the evening on the quiet days.

@birthdaybelle
I understand what you are saying, but I would rather people just stuck to the rules. A majority of people are not capable of assessing risk correctly.

These rules are bonkers. I’m sorry but they really are just guidelines as DC illustrated. We are all trying so hard to do the right thing but it’s obvious that such prescriptiveness is just not practical. The permutations are endless!

Surely if, as Dominic Cummings taught us, it’s help we needed this shouldn’t be news and was already acceptable.

This change only heightens what we were told about his was bollocks!

I feel sorry for the people that have different single households to choose from especially if ones your mum and the other your mother in law. I've only got my mum who is a single adult household and I just have my DS and he only goes out for his daily walks just as my mum does, so joining us together I know both of them are safe. It felt so good phoning my mum and telling her this she was so happy. I think it is going to help so many people. Nice having good news for a change.

@sleepingstandingup dad is sheilding.:(

Astrid, if you MIL doesn’t see anybody either, I think it is senseless not to add her to the bubble (I know, it is forbidden, but it makes no sense, many things the government is allowing make less sense than adding 2 lonely single grandparents to a bubble even if they are a couple if they are not seeing “anyone“ else... but I suppose the term “Anyone” is subject to a wild number of different interpretations.

So does it include those who are 'clinically vulnerable' or not?! I really don't want my mum to visit but she seems to think she can now. She reads the Telegraph which seems to be majoring on lonely grandparents being reunited with grandchildren.

I just genuinely can't understand on what basis you would think anything has changed? It's no more or less safe than it would have been last week.

I see this said a lot but I really don't understand the logic. Things change gradually. Yes there probably isn't a huge difference between now and last week. And there probably wasn't a huge difference between last week and the week before, and the week before that. But there will always be a point where one day it's restricted and the next day it's not I expect the point they think the risk level is low enough to make a change is actually earlier than when the change takes place.

I’m a single parent in England and my dad is on his own in Wales do you reckon I could make it over the bridge ?

The guidance makes it clear that vulnerable people can be included but the greater risk should be considered.

Great. So that’s my sister who can see our DP’s as she’s a “single parent” (she isn’t really) but I can’t as I’m “lucky” to have a partner. Then my SiL (Genuine single parent so fair enough) will be able to see DH’s parents but me and DH and DC won’t be allowed to. The latter is genuine situation and my SiL has been so lonely so I’m happy for her, but also gutted we can’t see in-laws properly. My Dsis has already messaged in a sort of gloaty way saying that she can see our parents. What a load of bollocks.

@NiknicK

What a delight you sound.

I see this said a lot but I really don't understand the logic. Things change gradually. Yes there probably isn't a huge difference between now and last week. And there probably wasn't a huge difference between last week and the week before, and the week before that. But there will always be a point where one day it's restricted and the next day it's not confused I expect the point they think the risk level is low enough to make a change is actually earlier than when the change takes place.

Yes this is true, but there are some of us who are waiting for some actual meaningful change! There was never much risk with the kind of action they are so condescendingly allowing now, that’s why the scientists/ ministers who invented these ridiculous rules couldn’t even abide by them themselves.

So I can’t feel frustrated and express that frustration? If this were the case none of us would be allowed to post on here.

Niknick

Sounds like a sister issue, not a legislation issue!

@NiknicK what makes a 'genuine' single parent? Do all single parents need your validation?

@NiknicK this new measure isn't so that everyone can met up with parents/grandparents, it is to help single adults have some adult company of some form. It is also not forever.

However, it is also not risk free. Mixing households is very high risk for transmission rates, hence they are doing it very slowly.