What would you actually like the government to do on schools.

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The demands on this site with regards to schooling are simply incompatible. Schools physically do not have the room or staff to reopen to their normal numbers of pupils with any form of social distancing in place, so it clearly isn't possible to get all kids back to school full time with social distancing in place.
What exactly would you like the government to be doing on schools that is actually feasible?

Whose interest is it to blame teachers?

This pretty much explains it:

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I'm not saying we should, I'm saying, if the aim is to protect teachers, the kids would have to wear it.

Laurie, it's not nonsense.

Medical grade PPE protects the wearer. Anything else protects other people.

Laurie, it's not nonsense

It’s utter bullshit.

If you take it to its logical conclusion then everyone will have to go around wearing medical grade PPE all of the time, because the vast majority of us come into contact with others as part of our job.

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Laurie, it's not nonsense

It’s utter bullshit.

If you take it to its logical conclusion then everyone will have to go around wearing medical grade PPE all of the time, because the vast majority of us come into contact with others as part of our job.

I'm not suggesting that.

I don't actually want a mask. It hampers communication which is an essential part of my job.

But 'teachers can wear masks' is banded about like an easy solution and it does nothing to protect them unless it's medical grade.

Cloth masks protect other people. So to protect the teacher, the kids need to wear them.

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html

The important bit from the link is right at the top:

A cloth face covering may not protect the wearer, but it may keep the wearer from spreading the virus to others.

Scrap social distancing for primary and nursery age children. Get all kids back into schools. Social distancing for all parents though at pickup times

So....adults need to socially distance but adults in schools don’t need to socially distant even though the people they are working with are also carriers of the virus and could be carrying it at any time (and we won’t mention the parents who will send in their little darlings with sky high temperatures and coughs as well).

I'm not sure how masks would work in terms of teaching though it is very dis engaging not being able to watch people as they speak

As above. Masks now a requirement oN public transport. Not a requirement in the classroom where people are squashed together for 6 hours a day.

scrap the summer holidays, (I know this is unpopular), except for the last two weeks of August

I’ve worked the whole time. You will not be removing holidays from me or my colleagues. You also must realise that teachers will, it work an additional 4mweeks for fre,pe, don’t you? And please don’t say ‘but NHS workers’ because you certainly wouldn’t expect them to work for nothing.

The teachers can distance from the kids to some extent. To my mind there is no need for the children to distance from each other

How many schools have you been in where social distancing is genuinely possible between staff and students? I don’t believe children are particularly at risk themselves but many people they live with are.

The "teachers will die" is histrionics and unnecessary

Have a look at the study that was done on a restaurant and a call centre and who got infected, where they were sitting and where they were sitting in relation to airflow. Long and short is anyone in a room with the kind of heating that wafts air in a particular direction is susceptible to infection in 50 minutes if someone i the room is shredding. So yes, teachers are at risk, more so than some professions, and the concern that some will die is very real. Add that to the fact that academies are private entities now and there is concern about potential legal claims. Add that to the ignoring of social distancing, refusal to allow teachers to use, let alone provide, PPE and it quickly becomes a lawyer’s wet dream.

Can someone please explain where they are getting the idea that non-shielding teachers will still get paid if they refuse to go back to work once they are instructed to do so?

The reason teachers aren't all back in schools full time (some of them not at all yet) is because the government has not yet deemed it safe to open schools fully. Not because teachers are refusing to go back.

Anyone refusing to go back at my school has been given the option of unpaid leave so we can book supply to cover.

Seems fair enough to me.

All teachers across the school that are not shielding or on unpaid leave are in full time teaching bubbles. The above isn't the problem - it is the guidance from the government thats causing the issue.

Once they scrap that, we will open to more pupils. It really is as simple as that for my school.

Same here BnE....that's why I dont get the whole teachers are refusing thing.

Its turn up, otherwise we'll discuss your genuine concerns with an aim to put sensible provision in place otherwise its unpaid leave. Oh and unpaid leave may affect your performance management along with pensions etc.

Just the government holding things up here not schools...

I think people got confused about the school thing as not so long ago teachers were wanting PPE and it’s still kind of up in arms. As there’s no guarantees that all teachers are willing to teach based on how the schools are not but will a possible full capacity.