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Can’t see how children will be able to go back to school in 2021

659 replies

Ouchy · 06/06/2020 18:43

Let’s face it. The R0 may not be controlled for months. Vaccine unlikely until 2021. Teaching unions up in arms. People unwilling to accept the risk of the virus (low for many). I’m getting more and more concerned and the government haven’t published any forward plans for how school can be restarted in the various scenarios we may be facing come September (have they?). What on earth are the DfE and the Education Secretary doing during the working week if they’re not planning this stuff? Is there something I’ve missed - am I mistaken? I’m getting more and more concerned. The children are low risk - there needs to be a plan and fast as their educations and social development are being kind of ignored for something they’re super low risk for as individuals themselves. Looking for reassurance really - am I mistaken or being silly?

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Myothercarisalsoshit · 08/06/2020 00:29

@Sittingontheveranda

Myothercarisalsoshit

Same school. Two kids. Two teachers. One is teaching at least some of what my child would have learned if still in school. Age has given constructive feedback highlighting errors and making suggestions for improvements. The other teacher has uploaded a few worksheets from Twinkl, not given any feedback, and told the kids to do Joe Wicks.
The people letting down teachers are their own colleagues.

And you have mentioned this to the school? And they said ...?
Sittingontheveranda · 08/06/2020 00:38

And you have mentioned this to the school? And they said ...?

No response.

Myothercarisalsoshit · 08/06/2020 00:44

So you have literally no idea why the lack of consistency has occurred? No idea about the reasons behind it? You just want one of your kid's teachers sacked? Aye alright then. You should maybe tell this to the Headteacher and see how far you get. At least it'll give them a laugh.

CountessFrog · 08/06/2020 00:55

Fucking disgraceful

Myothercarisalsoshit · 08/06/2020 01:15

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Sittingontheveranda · 08/06/2020 01:24

As a parent, I am getting so tired of having teachers jump on threads being so defensive, trying to stifle every opinion other than their own, and using every excuse under the sun because parents expect them to do their job.
A few months ago, teachers were lamenting parents for not being involved enough. Now the spotlight is on the teachers and some, not all, don’t like it one bit.

Kokeshi123 · 08/06/2020 01:38

they are allowed phones/tablets etc and it’s optional if they want to do work they’ve been set by their own teachers and I know
Mine aren’t doing any until we get home

They are allowed to sit on phones/tablets all day----are you SERIOUS? That is beyond appalling. Who is allowing this?

Even bone fide childcare settings do not let children sit parked on devices all day.

Kokeshi123 · 08/06/2020 01:42

Myothercarisalsoshit --I am getting so tired of snippy responses along the lines of "Well, talk to your school?" "Have you talked to the school???" "What have YOU done about it, then?" every time someone on here complains about shit provision.

First of all, the person usually HAS complained, and had no response.
Secondly, it's a very poor show indeed when a professional has to be nagged to do their job.

I don't work in teaching, but if a client or supervisor had to get on my case and point out to me that I hadn't done work that I had been paid to do, I'd be mortified.

Most teachers are working very hard in difficult circs right now, but this is a parenting forum and people do have the right to vent here about their own particular school being shit, on the occasions where a school or teacher is actually being shit.

JimmyGrimble · 08/06/2020 01:50

Thing is though Kokeshi, you can nag all you want, teachers are following instructions from HTs and the government. It’s not teachers fault and starting multiple threads slagging them off, calling for them to be sacked or not paid is ignorant and stupid.

Kokeshi123 · 08/06/2020 02:50

I agree that SLT are responsible for most cases of poor provision---I have seen posts from teachers saying they want to do a good job but have been told by their leadership team that they are not to do more than the bare minimum because it's school policy. I feel sorry for teachers in this position.

However, the above poster actually explained that she is talking about two teachers in the same school. One is doing a good job and the other is doing sod-all.

It’s not teachers fault and starting multiple threads slagging them off, calling for them to be sacked or not paid is ignorant and stupid.

Well, of course it's not teachers' collective fault that a few of their colleagues are not doing a good job! If an individual teacher is doing a piss poor job and it is not the fault of their school because other teachers at the same school are working hard, then of course it is that individual teacher's fault---whose else would it be?

NeverTwerkNaked · 08/06/2020 06:40

Exactly kokeshi

NoForksToGive · 08/06/2020 07:29

There needs to be national guidelines on minimum standards of work and expectations for each year group to mitigate the problems with inconsistency, just as there is for in school learning.

It should be up to schools to determine how they’re met and monitored, but not the level and nature of work that is provided. What’s the point in having a national curriculum that isn’t universally implemented for what could be nearly a year?

Given that Ofsted are not carrying out inspections there are well qualified teams of people available who should be used to go into school and help them with their delivery plans. It would do no harm to include Covid provision in the next ofsted inspection reports as it really does say a lot about the school and the SLT. I think too many schools thought this was just going to be a few weeks and so didn’t really matter, they will be at a huge disadvantage to the ones who put long term measures in from the very beginning. Quite frankly there should also be penalties for teachers and schools that are not delivering minimum standards, whether that’s requiring extra work to be provided to make up for lost time in holidays or other measures, children shouldn’t be subject to this lottery. Of course children can’t be forced to work but materials should be there for people who can and want to, and schools aware of families who can’t / don’t.

I don’t understand why either more work hasn’t been provided through online platforms where possible (why are some schools only now starting to explore who has access) or else through decent workbooks and activity packs sent to homes. It’s not like the whole curriculum has to be rewritten (former teacher here). There are also web resources for pretty much every lesson in every year in every subject that might need supplementing, once again I know this from experience so it’s not like all of it has to be done from scratch. For many parents like myself, trying to look after two children of different ages whilst juggling FT work is impossible and we need the support of school through well structured and meaningful activities to manage the day. Many teachers complain they have children at home too, but they have the option of sending their children in as key workers, most parents don’t have that choice. The point is, it’s no good anyone getting defensive, we all have to work together. Parents don’t have a union protecting them against unmanageable demands, and it’s perfectly reasonable for their lives to be structured around children being both in school during term time, and being educated. We also have to be conscious that the way these weeks and months pan out will shape the relationship between schools, children and parents for possibly years to come.

We all need to put the work into getting it right everywhere and supporting each other, no matter what we expected from either our formal contract as teachers or our informal contract as parents.

So nope, I don’t think schools will be going back in any recognisable form in September. But we have the time to make sure that our kids education is not unrecognisable at the end of it.

Blackbear19 · 08/06/2020 09:14

There needs to be national guidelines on minimum standards of work and expectations for each year group to mitigate the problems with inconsistency, just as there is for in school learning.

It's called BBC Bitesize at beginning of lockdown Gov told BBC to provide 12weeks online learning for children at all levels.
Which they have provided using the Daily Bitesize.

This is also a very good argument why the UK needs the BBC and for it to be publicly funded.

FrippEnos · 08/06/2020 09:21

NoForksToGive

Given that Ofsted are not carrying out inspections there are well qualified teams of people available who should be used to go into school and help them with their delivery plans.

Its just a shame that Ofsted failed there own inspection.

Bollss · 08/06/2020 09:23

It's called BBC Bitesize at beginning of lockdown Gov told BBC to provide 12weeks online learning for children at all levels
Which they have provided using the Daily Bitesize

Oh in that case let's not bother re opening schools if we can do the same job at home with the BBC website.

Ffs.

NoForksToGive · 08/06/2020 09:51

It's called BBC Bitesize at beginning of lockdown Gov told BBC to provide 12weeks online learning for children at all levels.
Which they have provided using the Daily Bitesize.

Well if a few five minute videos is meant to constitute an adequate education we are in real trouble. Ridiculous. Great that they can be used as resources but they’re not a substitute for schools, or for teachers.

Kokeshi123 · 08/06/2020 10:12

Schools which are doing good provision are doing things like: so, the kids are supposed to learn about magnets today. The teacher's guidance will provide a link to a video which explains about magnets. And a worksheet that provides a reading exercise about magnets. And the kids have to read it and do the exercises/answer the questions on magnets that are on the worksheet and so on. And they send the work in and the teacher provides feedback.

Using video clips as part of education is an excellent idea but of course it has to be part of a general approach that includes reading, writing, feedback and everything being curated by the teacher so that parents don't have to try and guess/work out what they are supposed to be doing. Good schools are doing this.

NoForksToGive · 08/06/2020 10:39

100% agree with @kokeshi

CallmeAngelina · 08/06/2020 10:47

Kokeshi, my school is doing all of that and much more.
Only around half of the children/parents (in an area that is not "deprived, by any means), are sending in what they've done.

NoForksToGive · 08/06/2020 10:57

Only around half of the children/parents (in an area that is not "deprived, by any means), are sending in what they've done

And what have they said when the school has tried to talk to them about it?

FrippEnos · 08/06/2020 11:14

NoForksToGive

And what have they said when the school has tried to talk to them about it?

Just some examples
Unable to get in touch on any number or email provided
"fuck off"
"you can't tell me what to do in my own home"
"We are a school free zone"
and
"we are doing something else" which in some cases has been excellent and others not so much.

LongTallSammie · 08/06/2020 11:16

Some interesting statistics of the likelihood of dying from Covid (this for women, however similar stats available for men)

"Among women, workers in the care and leisure sector have the highest death rate
Figures per 100,000 for England and Wales residents aged 20 to 64

For professional women (teachers etc) the rate of death is much lower. Professionals the least likely to die.

The full set of data for men and women is available here:

news.sky.com/story/the-coronavirus-divide-why-five-groups-are-dying-more-than-they-should-12000643

BeetrootPicklePlease · 08/06/2020 11:19

I'm so very very glad that I'm no longer teaching. My heart goes out to all of you that are still in the profession putting other people's kids before your own, working your tits off and being judged by thankless people who literally haven't got a fucking clue about how much you want to get back in the classroom / what you're going through / the hours you are working / the challenges you are facing. You are amazing. Thank you x

okiedokieme · 08/06/2020 11:25

@user135844794

It's about transmission risk yes but also the potential harm by not doing something essential like education. A generation missing school for a year could be more detrimental to the common good than the loss of (mostly) elderly and sick adults. It's not an easy issue to solve, whose rights are more important but looking at society wide issues is not about the health implications of the individual. We can mitigate the risk for highly susceptible individuals with shielding advice and support packages, lockdown for all isn't the only option. I'm glad to not have to make such decisions, the optimum policy firming an individual is not necessarily the best for society. A classic example is funding experimental life extending (rather than cure) cancer drugs -extending a life by 6 months can mean the world to a family but to society is it worth £50k?

Medical ethics is a personal interest area for me

CallmeAngelina · 08/06/2020 11:28

Thanks Beetroot.

"And what have they said when the school has tried to talk to them about it?"
The jab is not lost on me, of course, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, our Head/Inco has done all the phoning so far. The most amusing/concerning one was the parent who said they were having a "rest" week (the week after the Easter holiday fortnight, where the child hadn't been in for the preceding 3 weeks either).
We've had "too hard/too easy/too much/too little/no wifi/they're only kids/I've sent it but you haven't received it/I can't find the link/they're refusing to do any of it so what can I do?"
The Head is back on the phone from this morning, seeing how all the no-shows are.

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