Can’t see how children will be able to go back to school in 2021

[Ouchy]

Let’s face it. The R0 may not be controlled for months. Vaccine unlikely until 2021. Teaching unions up in arms. People unwilling to accept the risk of the virus (low for many). I’m getting more and more concerned and the government haven’t published any forward plans for how school can be restarted in the various scenarios we may be facing come September (have they?). What on earth are the DfE and the Education Secretary doing during the working week if they’re not planning this stuff? Is there something I’ve missed - am I mistaken? I’m getting more and more concerned. The children are low risk - there needs to be a plan and fast as their educations and social development are being kind of ignored for something they’re super low risk for as individuals themselves. Looking for reassurance really - am I mistaken or being silly?

[MRSsqueak]

my 3 are doing well at home youngest could have gone back 1st june but he didnt as me and my DH are high risk. but actually he is the one who is doing better at home than at school. hos speech was delayed it put him behind really behind. he couldnt write even his name that well and couldnt read at all. he was just grasping the basic letter sounds when i pulled him out 1 week before lockdown. now he can read all of his high frequency words we got the whole set and he can read some of his "tricky words" the ones that cant be sounded out. my year 5 son was well ahead of where he should be and is doing year 6 sats level workbooks. out eldest is getting all her work on google classroom and is just getting in with it. altho she isnt getting as much work as i'd like so im sending her to bbc bitesize lessons aswell. we are doing ok here but im not thinking school will be back to normal in september at all :(

[TheHoneyBadger]

If they’re out on the street as minors breaking guidelines is that the fault of bad parenting?

If people want to stop teenagers breaking lockdown is that the job of parents? And if parents neglect their parental duties should that be followed up ss, the police or ss and the police?

If children are known to be actively at risk in their homes should they a) have the person causing the risk removed from the home, b) be removed from the home themselves or c) be left at risk in a home with someone dangerous so long as they can go to school for 6 hrs a day 5 days a week.

If society is worried about child abuse should the police and ss tackle it as a criminal issue or should we pretend having them in school will sort it?

If we have such massive social inequity that some households can’t afford to feed their kids properly or provide them with their own bed should we deal with that inequity economically and politically or should we just demand schools somehow close the gap?

I could go on

[FrippEnos]

Nihiloxica

That the teenagers are out is the fault of who?

I will make it easy for you, Multi choice

A The parents
B The parents
C The parents
D Anybody but the parents.

[Nihiloxica]

So you want to use the fact that teenagers are acting like teenagers have since adolescence was invented as a way of continuing to deny them their right to an education?

Fucking hell.

[TheHoneyBadger]

I just find it rather sad that everyone thinks schools are the answer to everything. Eg sexually abused or otherwise at risk kids should be in school because what? They get six hours sanctuary?

At risk kids deserve to be gotten out of abusive homes not just given a six hour break.

Where are the expectations for social services to protect young people or for police to round up those not social distancing and fine those parents who refuse to monitor their children?

Schools should be about education rather than a placebo treatment for all of society’s ills.

[Justajot]

@TheHoneyBadger - absolutely a parenting and policing issue, it isn't the fault of schools. But it does have to be considered when thinking about bringing pupils back into schools.

[TheHoneyBadger]

@Justajot

That teens are out, mixing, and not social distancing will be one of the factors that prevents schools from returning. It isn't everything, but will put school staff at risk.

It’s also a parenting and policing issue not a schools issue.

[Justajot]

That teens are out, mixing, and not social distancing will be one of the factors that prevents schools from returning. It isn't everything, but will put school staff at risk.

[SleepingStandingUp]

But only if there's some sort of protection if you have all lthat time off. DH only gets stat sick pay and the minimum Al. If we were ever getting back to school and he was primary carer, how many weeks off a few weeks in, 2 off, a few weeks in, 2 off before his boss sacks him? Or he has to take unpaid leave meaning we default in the rent?

[SidSparrow]

@sleepstandingup

Yes, exaxtly! That's common sense. A pain in the backside, but certainly much better than everyone staying home forever.

[SleepingStandingUp]

If people are showing symptoms then they should stay home. of course but you also need to stay home if someone you live with has symptoms. So you send the kdis back, at the weekend the 3 yo has a temp, that's a week off for them and 2 for you. Al or unpaid or sick leave? Then the kid in scho gets a temp, so now presumably the whole bubble is off so parents are back off.

Pre Clovid19 our school positively encouraged kids to come in regardless of sickness unless it was d&v.

[SidSparrow]

It's such a pile of horse shit. If people are showing symptoms then they should stay home. Good hygiene and some common sense is all that's needed now.

www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

[Appuskidu]

Were in a deficit budget and have been told no supply-all teacher cover has been done by TAs this year.

However the TAs we did have are also shielding!

If the government give the school additional funding, it’s a possibility.

It will be difficult to recruit good temporary agency TAs to work with our high need EHCP 1:1 children though.

[SleepingStandingUp]

App would bank staff not suffice? Genuine qn

[Appuskidu]

With the shielded it is more difficult but I think generally,all other kids will most definitely be back to school full time in September. If the number of deaths are zero or close enough, they simply have to go back to normal schooling

The difficulty we’ll have in school is covering the shielded staff. We have a significant number who haven’t returned. If they aren’t able to return in September, the school cannot reopen as normal.

[SleepingStandingUp]

@Rainbow12e maybe. We're shielding a 5 yo with 6 month old twins, I think I've. Just lost the ability to see life as any different to now. Even if the rest of the world goes back to normal cos "the vulnerable can just stay inside" I can't envisage the numbers being low enough for us to be free

[Piggywaspushed]

Yes, indeed, I agree . Any threads started blaming the BMA yet though?

[Coffeeandbeans]

@Piggywaspushed I’m not surprised. The PPE fiasco and the care homes were a disaster.

[SleepingStandingUp]

Other countries are recording no deaths even at this point. but we haven't had the same experience Re numbers as them

[SleepingStandingUp]

The plan for all primary school years in England to go back to school before the end of term is to be dropped by the government.

There had been an aim for all primary pupils to spend four weeks in school before the summer break.

But it is no longer thought to be feasible and instead schools will be given "flexibility" over whether or not to admit more pupils.

Head teachers' leaders said it had never been a practical possibility.

It comes after Health Secretary Matt Hancock conceded at Monday's Downing Street briefing that secondary schools in England may not fully reopen until September "at the earliest

[SleepingStandingUp]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52969679