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Can’t see how children will be able to go back to school in 2021

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Ouchy · 06/06/2020 18:43

Let’s face it. The R0 may not be controlled for months. Vaccine unlikely until 2021. Teaching unions up in arms. People unwilling to accept the risk of the virus (low for many). I’m getting more and more concerned and the government haven’t published any forward plans for how school can be restarted in the various scenarios we may be facing come September (have they?). What on earth are the DfE and the Education Secretary doing during the working week if they’re not planning this stuff? Is there something I’ve missed - am I mistaken? I’m getting more and more concerned. The children are low risk - there needs to be a plan and fast as their educations and social development are being kind of ignored for something they’re super low risk for as individuals themselves. Looking for reassurance really - am I mistaken or being silly?

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echt · 06/06/2020 23:38

Also kinda puts into perspective those stupid fines schools dole out for daring to take your kids out of school for a holiday

The schools do not dole out fines. This is a government directive, at national level.

hopsalong · 06/06/2020 23:43

On the situation isn't good for anyone/

In that case it would have ended weeks ago debate, above...

I agree, in a rational society, this would be true!

But we live in an irrational society governed by sad-clown Boris and his team of incompetents. And they either aren't able to see what's good for people, or don't really care all that much, because they live in a sort of post-truth post-responsibility alternate universe where the optics of the crisis is what matters, not the crisis itself.

There's no obvious way for them to them the turn round and say: whoops, sorry, we shouldn't have fear-mongered among all the healthy non-elderly people so much, locked down so late it had relatively few benefits at a massive and ongoing cost, destroyed 20 years of progress in equal rights in the workplace for women, and fucked up the lives and educations of a generation of young people.

EnlightenedOwl · 06/06/2020 23:44

@CountessFrog

I think it’s probably too risky to go on mumsnet. We don’t know enough about this virus, it might be transmissible by thought.

I don’t even know who last touched this keyboard, and a man just sneezed as he walked past my house. It’s highly unlikely to be hay fever because the R rate in my area is 0.4, which is terrifying.

I wouldn't joke because I think people might genuinely believe this
Paperchainpopp · 06/06/2020 23:44

Honestly I’m hoping this doesn’t drag into 2021 (school issue). There’s no guarantee of anything in life. It’s not just about the children needing to be taught subjects it’s also about social interaction too. The way my DC enjoyed playing with the kids next door after months was priceless. It is not normal for kids to be kept in the house for months on end even with going out for exercise it’s not the same.

All this fuss the government have gone to organise the new school classes. I hope they have big plans for September when more children will need to attend school before furlough ends in October.

cinders222 · 06/06/2020 23:45

I am in Scotland and our council haven't stated what is part time will look like but I am imagine will be a similar model to Glasgow with Monday Tuesday for half the kids and Thursday Friday for other half with a Wednesday off for a deep clean and work will be provided home every week for the time that home educating.

Both me and husband work full time but work opposite shifts so are able to provide home schooling between us. My girl is 7 so I am just concentrating a few hours a day with maths and english and then reading books. School is setting some work which we do and also doing reading eggs that I bought. I plan to keep this up through school holidays till August as I have figured rather than try and get her to work 4 hours a day just do less but keep up for longer and then used to still working at home when part time home schooling continues in August.

I know lots of friends who are doing nothing at all, so I think it will be a mix of kids doing full days , nothing at all and somewhere in between which I am going for

ATomeOfOnesOwn · 06/06/2020 23:45

I think you should be ashamed for your gf posts tbh. People are following the science and the research. You should be ashamed of your flippancy and of trying to reduce a thread about genuine concerns to one mocking other parents, the vulnerable and the people your DCs rely on.

Appuskidu · 06/06/2020 23:46

Also kinda puts into perspective those stupid fines schools dole out for daring to take your kids out of school for a holiday

The government dole out fines.
The government have closed schools.

Not teachers, heads or schools.

CallmeAngelina · 06/06/2020 23:51

Also kinda puts into perspective those stupid fines schools dole out for daring to take your kids out of school for a holiday

What the others said. Not schools who do the fining. And can you really not see the difference between one child out of 30 missing what the other 29 are learning in school for a fortnight, and all 30 missing the teaching at once, but receiving home learning tasks instead?

pfrench · 06/06/2020 23:55

I have friends who are on their knees trying to work FT and simultaneously homeschool primary age children.

Yep, I know life of teachers who are doing that too.

I fucking hope this doesnt carry on until September. I've spent ages planning my Sept curriculum. I also hate doing online learning stuff, its shit. If it looks like it will go on much past xmas, I'll resign.

CountessFrog · 06/06/2020 23:56

I think you’re right, Hopsalong.

GabsAlot · 06/06/2020 23:56

how will it work part time wha about peoples jobs-its not sustainable

Bollss · 06/06/2020 23:59

all 30 missing the teaching at once, but receiving home learning tasks instead?

They won't all have done the same work or had the same support though!

NeverTwerkNaked · 07/06/2020 00:05

@CallmeAngelina it's not all 30 missing out though

  • some (like mine) hsve working parents now paying for tutors and online school
  • some have SAHP who can support them a lot
  • some have teacher parents like my son's teacher, who hadn't taught him at all but send cheery emails about all the teaching she is doing with her son (who is the same age)
NeverTwerkNaked · 07/06/2020 00:07

@hopsalong I agree. They ramped up the fear message to the point it is rather hard to back pedal so we have perfectly healthy people at very low risk unable to think rationally

LyndaLaHughes · 07/06/2020 00:09

After being off for so long on full pay, I think asking teachers to do this is perfectly acceptable

Wow I wish someone had told me I was supposed to be off when I was in supervising key worker kids, setting online work, completing online training, compiling data, dealing with parents and welfare issues, completing curriculum documents, making schemes of work etc. Shall I continue or will you apologise for your totally incorrect comment which is an insult to every teacher who has been directed by their HT to complete many tasks from home as well as go into school throughout so our NHS staff could go to work for instance? The job is so far beyond what happens in the classroom and it seems no matter how many times this is explained some people still think we waltz in at 9 and leave at 3 with no other work to do. But no I've been sitting on arse on full pay. If I seem angry and bitter - I am because I'm sick of this nonsense I've heard relentlessly for many weeks. Despite it being explained so may times we are all still a bunch of lazy, selfish liars (about workload) who couldn't care less about children. I'm so done with it. It's making me want to leave the job because I'm so fed up of being vilified and disrespected.

CountessFrog · 07/06/2020 00:10

Rational thought is so 2019 isn’t it?

It actually says to me that people’s mental health is in tatters, underneath it all. It needs addressing.

JimmyGrimble · 07/06/2020 00:11

Private schools are better funded than state - who fucking knew?
Private schools breed inequality - shocker!
Some parents have more time to support their children’s learning - really?
It’s not really a level playing field - you don’t say!
Children are not being taught whilst the curriculum is suspended although teachers are providing work and trying to support - yes but we don’t want that - we want what they’ve got over there! Will nobody think of the children! Their lives are ruined! Blah blah blah blah.
Just a load of entitled fucking nonsense from people who know the square root of fuck all about how schools work.
No offence.

echt · 07/06/2020 00:15

^^
This.

It needed saying.

Ouchy · 07/06/2020 00:15

@hopsalong your post explains my opinion exactly in a much more succinct and clear way than I could manage myself. And @CountessFrog I really hope you are right as I love your opinion and it makes me think twice and gives me more hope

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CountessFrog · 07/06/2020 00:16

Not sure what you mean, Jim?

We have new neighbours, turns out they have a daughter same age as ours. They moved about three miles into this new house, their daughter remained in her previous state school.

Taking to them today, comparing notes on the approach taken by their school and ours - the two neighbouring schools.

Their school ‘full day of lessons on Microsoft teams.’

Our school ‘work set for most subjects.’

Two neighbouring state schools in the same authority.

YounghillKang · 07/06/2020 00:18

And as could be predicted, on this thread we have teachers (and some parents) calmly explaining how schools run, what they do and how they do it: as well as the many challenges schools face, most of which were an issue long before the UK lockdown. Reasoned explanations that have been put forward time and time again on a multitude of other threads. And on the opposing side? We have posters using this as a forum to peddle the usual, right-wing, anti-lockdown sentiments, including presenting yet another round of fake comparisons between countries that have never been in the position the UK is, with regard to infection levels, death rates etc…Many of which already had better education facilities, funding and smaller classes, so started out with a material advantage and continue to do so.

We’ve also had unsubstantiated claims re: suicide rates, alongside predictable, general mud-slinging at schools and teachers. BUT for some reason the government’s response to the pandemic or their handling of education and childcare seems to be largely off-limits. Even though how things are currently playing out in UK education, including the pitiful lack of policy on alternative childcare provision for working parents, tracks right back to the government doorstep. Or maybe some posters are just more interested in union-bashing than reality?

Tbf there are some parents who are genuinely trying to work out how to support schools and teachers and their children and find a way to manage in this crisis situation. One that’s beyond their's or teachers’ control. Although this particular parental stance is increasingly undermined by the sheer numbers of parents on other MN threads recounting how they outwitted the rules: a prime example the thread currently running where a whole host of parents gleefully outline the ways in which they have ignored social distancing, mingled households and so on… beautifully demonstrating why schools are potentially dangerous spaces for anyone who takes this pandemic’s threats seriously or for whom this outbreak is a serious health threat

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3929628-kids-playing-together

Interestingly what we haven’t had is any consideration of the high risks that fully opening schools before the UK has successfully moved beyond, what even government advisors have called, a ‘dangerous’ level of infection levels poses to BAME pupils and teachers. A fact that seems to have been studiously ignored on this thread (and far too many similar ones) by those posters agitating for schools to run without effective, practical health and safety measures.

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/may/26/plans-to-reopen-english-schools

Or should those of us who ARE taking these factors into account just take it as read that anti-lockdown posters consider ethnic minorities, along with the elderly, people with disabilities and the otherwise vulnerable expendable and/or acceptable collateral damage?

Personally, I prefer to refrain from hyperbolic references to Hitler or the Nazis, but as Hopsalong has now invoked Godwin’s Law, then I would say that you Hopsalong, and others like you, are the Nazis in this scenario. The Nazis set out to systematically exterminate ethnic minorities, the disabled and the vulnerable, because they thought their lives were worthless, and it’s clear that in this scenario your sentiments are not dissimilar. And who is the ‘our’ in your ill-thought-out and offensive little scenario? It’s certainly not BAME communities, the disabled, vulnerable or elderly!!

CountessFrog · 07/06/2020 00:20

Ouchy, I see you’ve got a grip...!

Hold onto it very tightly, keep your head, never lose your sense of humour, logic, rational thought.

When everything goes back to normal, I’m going to read some things I’ve seen on mumsnet as a reminder of what happens when a population is scared into panic and loses all perspective.

JimmyGrimble · 07/06/2020 00:21

Sorry countess I forgot- here you go ...
Not all fucking schools are the same and the government have given no guidelines as to what schools should be doing - another shocker!
Some schools have the money to invest in Microsoft fucking teams and some don’t.
There you go.
HTH

Mistressiggi · 07/06/2020 00:23

Our school ‘work set for most subjects.’
Wtf's wrong with work set for most subjects?

CountessFrog · 07/06/2020 00:24

HTH

The ultimate little passive aggressive MN acronym.

The thing is, Jim, your previous post suggests the problem lies with parents wanting what others have got.

I accept that my local private school is doing more. I hear that the neighbouring state school is doing more. Am I supposed to just shrug?