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When will people be happy to start living with the risk of catching Coronavirus?

402 replies

wakeupitsabeautifulmorning · 04/06/2020 19:49

Considering there possibly won't be a vaccination for quite some time, if at all, but things are going to have to start returning to normal for the sake of everything else - economy, education, other health issues etc. There is currently so much opposition to easing out of lockdown, people will have to get back to work and schools cannot be part time for years (childcare issues plus the massive impact on disadvantaged dc, plus the dc not engaging in home learning). Spoke to a few people today who are horrified at the thought of a return to normal as they are frightened of catching the virus. I was a bit surprised a they were under 35 with dc (no known health problems). It's like they think it's just going to miraculously vanish.

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AriettyHomily · 04/06/2020 20:57

Now but I have no one in family who is shielding, nor do I know anyone shielding. I'm pretty sure that would change my perspective.

TimeWastingButFun · 04/06/2020 20:57

In my mind it's like having a huge load of tigers escaped from a zoo and breeding. You can go indoors but they're still out there. In that situation I wouldn't want to go out until they'd all been caught, and similarly with C19 I won't be going out unless it's essential until there's a cure.

KaronAVyrus · 04/06/2020 21:01

Now

BamboozledandBefuddled · 04/06/2020 21:03

@AriettyHomily

Now but I have no one in family who is shielding, nor do I know anyone shielding. I'm pretty sure that would change my perspective.
It might not. I've got one shielding (DM) and one in the shielding group refusing to shield (DH). Just asked him and he said 'now' and pretty sure DM would say the same.
SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 04/06/2020 21:03

Now. Well, several weeks ago.

pinktaxi · 04/06/2020 21:03

@TheDailyCarbuncle What excess deaths have been directly caused by lockdown then? A lot of upset and anxiety as well as financial problems, but deaths?

I think many younger people can start going to work, and cafes, restaurants, attractions, zoos, and so on should all open but taking more limited numbers and social distancing. If we can live like that until the autumn, by then there should be better contact tracing and antibody testing to see what the real risk is. It's currently about a 1 in 500 chance of catching it. Older and more vulnerable people can continue with a modified lockdown, but with socially distanced meetings with those moving around more freely, so that they are more protected.

So most younger fitter people can live more normally (excluding large crowds, music concerts and so on) and the vulnerable can still be protected.

highmarkingsnowbile · 04/06/2020 21:04

Now

SallyLovesCheese · 04/06/2020 21:07

@Spinakker

I think schools should fully open from September and those parents who are shielding and don't want their kids to attend should be able to home school but those who do should be able to access ft education again. This is not fair on the kids long term.
I think schools should open fully from September, as long as a) parents who choose not to send their DC back (unless medical) understand teachers will not be providing remote learning and b) social distancing and face masks are no longer required anywhere by the public, whether schools, shops, public transport etc.
userxx · 04/06/2020 21:08

From the start to be honest.

SudokuBook · 04/06/2020 21:09

I am now. The vast majority of people dying of it are elderly, most of them are in care homes, not that they don’t matter but society can’t stay ground to a halt indefinitely for an illness that’s not harmful to most people. Jobs and livelihoods are disappearing in their hundreds by the day. This can’t continue.

JustHereWithPopcorn · 04/06/2020 21:10

Now, also probably several weeks ago. Back to work and toddler in nursery.

LilyPond2 · 04/06/2020 21:11

Only when our government manages to get infection rates down to such a low rate that the risk is genuinely remote. Not the impossible task that some MNers would have you believe - plenty of other European countries have much lower rates than us. Or treatment improves to the point that you are very unlikely to get seriously ill or die from it. Several members of my family are high risk due to age/health conditions. I hate the attitude (becoming increasingly common) that things should go "back to normal" for young healthy people when doing so at present would be at the expense of millions of older people/people with health conditions who will be condemned to live severely restricted lives as a result.

Scoobysnacker9 · 04/06/2020 21:12

From day one for me. I don’t fear things like this and am a believer in what will be, will be.

BatSegundo · 04/06/2020 21:13

@VaTeLaverLesMains GrinGrinGrin

A dark sense of humour is a useful tool for shielded folk.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 04/06/2020 21:13

I was happy to take the
from the start

I never wanted to risk the economy and jobs and education and austerity.

Looks like I lost

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 04/06/2020 21:13

Now. I’m in a rural area of Scotland that has had very few cases/deaths and have had no new positive cases for well over a week same with deaths, longer for deaths actually. I’ve been resilient for 10+ weeks now, I’ve been working throughout (community nhs) but it is really starting to affect me now. My children are becoming very difficult to engage in learning now as well

FulfilledRemit · 04/06/2020 21:16

Now. There are a tiny number of cases in my area as a % of population, and an even smaller number (under 10) in hospital with it. This lockdown feels like a massive overreaction.

UnholyStramash · 04/06/2020 21:16

@VaTeLaverLesMains, your post gave me a proper laugh. As another shielder proper laughs have been difficult to find over the last few weeks. Our Fray Bentos pie went to the food bank as we’re vegetarian. I’m sure whoever got it was very grateful. Hmm

TheDailyCarbuncle · 04/06/2020 21:20

[quote pinktaxi]@TheDailyCarbuncle What excess deaths have been directly caused by lockdown then? A lot of upset and anxiety as well as financial problems, but deaths?

I think many younger people can start going to work, and cafes, restaurants, attractions, zoos, and so on should all open but taking more limited numbers and social distancing. If we can live like that until the autumn, by then there should be better contact tracing and antibody testing to see what the real risk is. It's currently about a 1 in 500 chance of catching it. Older and more vulnerable people can continue with a modified lockdown, but with socially distanced meetings with those moving around more freely, so that they are more protected.

So most younger fitter people can live more normally (excluding large crowds, music concerts and so on) and the vulnerable can still be protected.

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Domestic abuse killings have doubled over lockdown and calls to domestic abuse helplines have also doubled. As of 27th of April, 14 women and 2 children had been murdered by men. The stress and isolation of lockdown is considered to have contributed to these deaths. As far as I'm aware there have been at least two further killing since then, if not more. The killings are the visible part of the suffering caused by people being stuck in the house 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with an abusive family member with no outside contact - no job for the abused spouse to go to, no school for the children to go to.

The numbers are not yet clear, but the police and mental health charities have said they've seen an increase in suicide and suicidal thoughts during lockdown. People with mental illnesses have lost access to face to face therapy and support groups, meaning that many are struggling.

NHS staff expressed concern that people are waiting too long to get medical help for conditions like stroke and heart attacks as well as more minor conditions like appendicitis, meaning that people have been turning up at hospital far sicker and more likely to die or have long term effects than normal.

Cancer referrals are way, way down which means there are people whose cancer would normally have been diagnosed, who will instead wait a few months for a diagnosis. That time can mean the difference between life and death. Other treatments and diagnoses have also been delayed.

In the long run, unemployment and lack of money for public services will have a huge impact on the population, which is already exhausted and depressed after months of very little contact or engagement outside their own homes. Denying people all the normal social support systems, while also destroying the economy is recipe for major disaster. It'll take years and years to recover and will without a doubt contribute to and cause deaths.

I can't believe how naive people are about how devastating stopping the lives of a whole country, a whole continent is. Never before have any group of people been so comprehensively fucked over by their own governments.

KnobChops · 04/06/2020 21:20

3 months ago

lljkk · 04/06/2020 21:20

Advice Sought:
How do I get used to fact that most everyone else wants this Lockdown and Don't believe in trying to Live with the virus, they actually sees this situation as the "least bad" option (or not strict enough)? I would like to forget about it all, but for dozens of reasons I can't just shut it out.

Alcohol doesn't do the job.

Raaaa · 04/06/2020 21:21

I'd be happy to get out now and risk catching it

Inkpaperstars · 04/06/2020 21:22

I think many people are prepared to accept the risk to themselves as individuals and always have been, including people who want to ease restrictions very slowly. They are not making a connection between lockdown and their own risk from covid, they are making a connection between lockdown and the risk of exponential growth/natural peak of the virus. That would bring its own risk to everyone. If I knew now that I and my family were immune, it wouldn't change my opinion on what a logical govt policy going forward would be. National policy isn't about individual risk.

When it comes to confidence going out and about and doing whatever is 'allowed' I think people will get their confidence back if they see things easing without a rise in cases. If, fingers crossed that happens, we will probably still have to extra cautious around flu season in case of a rebound.

Inkpaperstars · 04/06/2020 21:24

Advice Sought: How do I get used to fact that most everyone else wants this Lockdown and Don't believe in trying to Live with the virus, they actually sees this situation as the "least bad" option (or not strict enough)? I would like to forget about it all, but for dozens of reasons I can't just shut it out.

Well, 'lockdown' depending on what you mean by it, is being eased, and the policy is to continue doing so. So whether people believe in trying to live with the virus or not, that will be happening. I don't understand what you are tying to say.

Clemmieandareallybigbunfight · 04/06/2020 21:25

From March- I'm nhs, it was accept it or walk away. I've lived with the risk so long I don't even notice it now.

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