When will people be happy to start living with the risk of catching Coronavirus?

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Considering there possibly won't be a vaccination for quite some time, if at all, but things are going to have to start returning to normal for the sake of everything else - economy, education, other health issues etc. There is currently so much opposition to easing out of lockdown, people will have to get back to work and schools cannot be part time for years (childcare issues plus the massive impact on disadvantaged dc, plus the dc not engaging in home learning). Spoke to a few people today who are horrified at the thought of a return to normal as they are frightened of catching the virus. I was a bit surprised a they were under 35 with dc (no known health problems). It's like they think it's just going to miraculously vanish.

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I'm on the shielded list. I made my own risk assessments.
This no longer became an issue a few days ago when the guidance was lifted.

I've been happy for live to continue throughout it all. I want to enjoy my life whilst I can. Last year I have no quality of life for several months. I don't want to locked at home like a miserable billy no mates.

Death is a natural part of life. A single war has probably caused more innocents death and injuries than this. And even then most were because of government incompetence. What do you expect from people who aren't qualified for those positions? It's like going to see the chef to operate on your kidney.

I came close again last year. The longer this carries on, the more of my life I lose. I cannot get treatment I need. I have had a kidney stent in place that should have been removed in March. By that time I needed reconstructive surgery to my ureta. Since December I have faced the constant risk of a life threatening kidney infection. Most of last year I was taccy and at risk of heart attack because of a fucking period.. Imagine that, on the grave stone something like - Damn gone for a period. I'm not able to get injections I need, some are to prevent pain. Some are to give me enegy. I can already feel the impacts - the lethargy, the pain, vomitting, severe constipation, weight lose, hair lose, short time memory loss that is worsening, migraines etc. In order to "Save" me and others like me, all we are doing is suffering. Please, follow the guidance and start to live your lives. Do you really want to be on your death beds looking back on regrets or the great things you did?

Your health is suffering from staying locked up. We need fresh air. We need the sun. Look at the damage that can be done to the body from lack of sun. I can tell you, it's hell. Half the time I cannot bloody enjoy it because of antibiotics or I'm ill. But that's me. I've only just made 10 years cancer free loool. And of course I've had this fucking virus.

Um,never? I'm older,in an at risk group and a profession where social distancing is impossible.
I accept I am going to have to go back to work and the risk will be there,but I think we should have waited till the R number was lower and we had an effective track and trace system up and running,and perhaps more controlled quarantine for people with the virus.Other countries in Europe have managed it,countries in Africa have managed it,why not us?
And its a nonsense to say continue with modified lockdown for older and more vulnerable people,if you are expecting those people to return to work.If the virus increases in the general population they will get more exposure.

CDC data from New York shows 48/178 people hospitalised in a study were under the age of 50.

www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm

This disease kills old people far more than young people. But that does not mean that all young people get off lightly.

Coronavirus has not been dealt with this way because of the amount of people who die, but because of the amount of people who would require hospitalisation. This is what is meant by "Protect the NHS".

You may be able to personally live with the risk of catching the virus, but do you want to live in a country that does not have a functioning health service? Many, many countries have been at the stage of stacking corpses in spare rooms in hospitals because of this disease. Yes, we have more capacity than most of them had, but the nature of an exponential virus is that no matter how much capacity you have, if you let it grow, it will not be enough.

I am now. A few weeks ago I wouldn't have wanted to sit on a park bench for a few minutes but I've been doing that for the past week. I'm feeling more relaxed if people walk quite close to me if they are going past. My DC are both going back to school on Monday, they are both ready as are DP and I. The DC and I are low risk, DP is clinically vulnerable but after a chat with his GP he's still pretty low risk if he catches it. We are all feeling like we now just want to get out there and enjoy the summer. We didn't have a holiday booked this year and tbh I'm glad as I don't feel like going away, we're happy to stay put but will be looking to book a holiday for next summer asap.

@nellodee you can’t shield anyone 100%, from COVID or indeed anything else that might kill them, but decent PPE, hand hygiene and routine testing should significantly lower the risk for those vulenerable to manageable rates.

Did you think you were immortal before COVID came along? Did you think people over 80 were going to live forever?

You said that we would be hospitalising less people because we would shield them. But we are not managing that currently.

You have ignored the fact that whilst deaths occur very much more so in the oldest populations (not to say these are not worth saving), younger people are still quite likely to need hospital care.

You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and saying "Yes, but it will all be different to how it has been so far, if we can just end lockdown."

At no point have I indicated that my stance on maintaining lockdown is due to personal fear, or a desire to live forever. In fact, having read many of BigChocFrenzy's posts, I am now convinced that my own personal risk of death is completely negligible - providing, of course, there is a health service available, should I need it.

@Lunar567 I never said there were no deaths! I disputed someone's assertion that lockdown was as bad in terms of deaths and harm as the effects of the virus.

The lockdown is bad in many ways, but nearly 40000 deaths is much worse. If there had been no lockdown, the estimates were 250000 deaths.

It's all about perspectives and context

But I'm going for a walk everyday, doing exercise classes by zoom, sitting in the sun in the garden, having girls nights by zoom, doing pub quizzes With my pub friends, Skype meetings with my work colleagues and spending quality time with my husband!

Like I said I understand my privileged position but even this life, the life I'm living at the moment is better than no life at all or 6 weeks on a ventilator and the health implications of that, which might last a very long time!

Now. Have felt this all along.

This is the most recent graph of hospitalisations. Hospitalisations are probably the most reliable method we have of tracing the prevalence of Covid-19 in real time. You will notice that it is currently level. Not going down. If we release lockdown, cases will start going up. They go up far quicker than they go down.

The quickest route out of lockdown and back into normality is to press this line down further still and then keep it down through effective cluster management.

And why are people waiting for this track and trace to work properly?

Do you know how the app works? Through bluetooth, and this will connect to other bluetooth users who haven't got the app.

Do people realise how vulnerable you are with BlueTooth? It is easy to hack and works in a similar way to how cards are scanned and there's little wallets to put your cards in to protect them because of that chip. How much info do you store on your phone? All those login details saved because you clicked the remember me button. Search bluetooth and KNOB (key negotiation of bluetooth)

Do you know where your data will be stored that will be taken from the government? Who they will sell it off to? They cannot even give a clear answer. Have a look on the gov website. It's there, data isn't stored so no privacy issue. If it's not stored then how can they use it. Oh they explain that by mentioning how they store the data.

A Vaccine? That's at least another 18 months away. I wouldn't bet on it considering previous strains are still around and there is no vaccine.

Those that want to traipse around the stores let them. Those that want to go out clubbing all night, do it. Partners who live in seperate homes want to spend the night together, let them don't throw them in jail.

Those that want to stay locked away, carry on. Stay indoors, but stop bloody moaning about people who haven't got savings to live on. If people don't go out to work they don't get any money. And if no-one is going out who will be delivering all your goods? Making them? Cooking them? Who will come and repair your things?

People want enjoyment. They want something to live for. They want to have more of an existence of life than around the kids. They don't want to be sitting at home every evening for whatever dull soap is on the box, stuck at home watching morning shite tv.

When the govt start telling the truth so I'm making judgements based on accurate information. Forgetting to add 300 deaths, refusing to publish data etc doesn't allow me to do that.

Comparing it to driving etc isn't a fair comparison. There won't suddenly be 300 people every day needing hospitalisation from car accidents, and if there were, I'm pretty sure NHS staff are quite used to dealing with them.

I won't be happy until 1) I know I am getting real info ( could take a while, but if I ignore the govt and use other sources it makes more sense), and

2. I know that it will happen in small enough amounts that hospitals won't be overrun should I need hospitalization.

Straw man. No-one is saying everyone should stay in. And before you accuse me of being happy to stay in, and let others take care of me, I am one of those going out and working already. It doesn't stop me appreciating that the less people who do it, the safer everyone else is.

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Gosh I'm far from ready ... it's just all feeling too soon with goalposts being moved daily to accommodate plans being rushed.
I've just go zero faith in what we are being told and feel strongly there's lies we should have been told but never will.

Now. If work would let me I would be back in a heartbeat! This is NOT sustainable!

People on this thread are being ridiculous!
There's a compromise to be made, I miss my friends, I see them on zoom, I've had a walk with one friend, going for a coffee in a flask in the garden of another friend at the weekend!

I'm missing holidays, parties, the pub but I can bloody restrict my movement, social distance reduce the risk of catching and spreading this and still have a nice life for a few months/ a year to stop this virus spreading!

It's like you have to be sat at home in the dark in a hair shirt or out meeting 100 people a day & licking door handles!

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When they have a treatment or when the chance of catching it is low

So not for a while yet since I am in England

This for me also.

@nellodee

The quickest route out of lockdown and back into normality is to press this line down further still and then keep it down through effective cluster management.

Completely agree.

People who think we should all simply get back to life as it was right away would be making a catastrophic mistake.... They are basically saying the past 3 months have been the most colossal waste of time and money as we’d be back at square 1 by autumn with the NHS overloaded and millions infected once more.... just at the time places like Germany and the rest of Europe are going back to normal having squashed it to the point of being able to track, trace and manage any localised cluster outbreaks.

We've been locked down for 3 months ( nearly).
It might seem like forever,but really it's nothing in the context (hopefully) of a lifetime.WW1 and 2 with their associated risks and restrictions were significantly longer and people survived that.

@IsolatedIzzy That all sounds perfectly sensible and fine to me. I'm not opposed to picnics and seeing friends at all. I think there are absolutely small, low risk things we can do to massively improve our quality of life.

I am as never worried about catching the virus. But I hate the uncertainty.
Children need to go back to school and sport should be allowed.
Only tennis and golf are allowed now.
In the last 2 weeks I have seen a few children of my friends. All except one put on weight.

@Derbygerbil This is what annoys me. Why is it that when so many other countries can manage to get cases low and keep them that way, we have people saying, "Sod it, let's just let a few hundred thousand more people die, I'm sick of this."