Schools fubared till November?

[Clemmieandareallybigbunfight]

Disruption to schools could continue to November, MPs told www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52895640

Is this a dystopian joke?

Are we actually trying to fuck up our kids?

Schools need to be instructed to open fully five days a week with enhanced on day cleaning, increased buses to allow distancing, staggered start and finish, covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks and no assemblies. Relatively low investment needed, huge gain economically but more importantly for our kids education and mental health. Some of these kids will never get back to school if they are out for so long. Some will fail to achieve their potential. And all for an illness with a tiny mortality rate overall?

Social distancing is a vital part of keeping numbers down
and the WHO guidance is 1m not 2m

with 1m the UK could get back on its feet

Well, barely , since through extensive track and trace ,and the decisive measures taken when the outbreak was tiny (including closing schools) the Icelanders hardly have anything to study

Ffs. You're enjoying this aren't you?

@Tiggering

I have noticed a pattern amoungst the parents I know. Those who have polite, thoughtful children who follow instructions and aren't addicted to screens are enjoying home schooling. The others can't wait for the schools to reopen.

I have a kid like that. He is a delight to spend time with and I am enjoying a lot of it. But you know what, I can’t wait for him to go back because this isn’t about me, it’s about him. He might be compliant, but away from his friends and the stimulation of the school day and his excellent teacher who has skills I don’t, he is not thriving at all.

Plus I also have a ds with SEN who is not getting the help he needs and has regressed hugely. He’s back to where he was about 4 years ago which is tragic given all the work and dedication that has been put into him by teachers and other professionals over that time.

But yeah, you make snidey insinuations about other people’s children if you get your kicks that way.

Those who have polite, thoughtful children who follow instructions and aren't addicted to screens are enjoying home schooling. The others can't wait for the schools to reopen

My year 1 and reception aged DD’s are a joy. Polite, conscientious, sensible, love learning. I also have a 16 month old who gets up at 5am and naps for 30 mins a day. Despite all my best efforts, I cannot effectively homeschool them (at their ages it needs full interaction) without neglecting the toddler. I am also trying to work a few hours a day so that I still have a business then this ends. I’m trying my best, but I’m exhausted and I’m failing.
I’m not ‘desperate’ for schools to reopen, but at the moment none of my children are getting the education and interaction they need (and deserve).

You cannot compare the situation in Iceland with the situation here. Iceland has a population of 363 thousand. It is not even into the millions. Their density is tiny.

The worlds' gone mad.

Children need an education.
Allow vulnerable teachers to shield by working from home to support the school and get a young fit workforce in to teach our children face to face.

A generation of young people is paying too high a price to protect the health of the elderly. It's insane.

By the way what happened to the million who signed up to volunteer? Did this amazing plan lead to anything?

Their density is tiny

Their density is irrelevant when the study is about children passing it to parents. The live with their children just like we do.

Not really genie, must be honest.

You asked why people only listen to the 'negative' studies. They are more recent and larger tends to be my answer.

Why do you only hold on to the 'positive' ones? Many of which have been debunked .

Today it was revealed that the WHO and our government have been heeding data and studies from a quack company with 5 employees.

Where's this young fit workforce?

Because maybe I'd like to think that we are not all doomed to certain death and don't want to live my life being a miserable glass half empty arsehole? Just a thought.

Oh, OK, so you admit not for any scientific reason then?

That's fine, so long as we are clear!

This is brilliantly put. Shocked that people are so belligerently keen for other people to put their lives and children's lives on the line. I hope that schools do go back to normal as soon as possible but this situation isn't normal. I don't want to be the one who dies or loses loved ones because people wish society was business as usual.

Absolutely. Some are so concerned with their own circumstances they are giving zero fucks for anyone else. Teacher bashing is the norm at the moment from some when it's Johnson and his pals they should be venting their spleens at.

Teachers don't need to "get over themselves". How very offensive.

The government needs to say how much it is prepared to put into schools to allow as many to attend as is practical, while maintaining safety standards.

I think they will just let the press and ignorant parents blame teachers while they wash their hands.

What a shame that the majority of parents seem to regard this bonus time they have to spend with their children as an "inconvenience".

Actually... I read an OECD report that said we have one of the least experienced youngest teaching professions internationally. Didn't comment on their fitness though. And teachers teach. There is little slack. The admin is done after the teaching is done. You can't parcel it off in that way.

@Piggywaspushed

Oh, OK, so you admit not for any scientific reason then?

That's fine, so long as we are clear!

Well I look at statistics too and I'm not terrified of my impending death either and both those things help.

Of course the population levels and density are relevant to a pandemic that is spreading through social contact. The only thing more relevant is the extent to which they are travelling.

@AuroraBore

What a shame that the majority of parents seem to regard this bonus time they have to spend with their children as an "inconvenience".

Yes what an inconvenience losing your job and potentially your house and struggling to feed your children. How inconvenient. Check your privilege.

@Pepperwort

Of course the population levels and density are relevant to a pandemic that is spreading through social contact. The only thing more relevant is the extent to which they are travelling.

They're not relevant to that study. It was specifically about one thing from kids to parents. It could have been done anywhere and still be relevant. I don't think you really understand what I'm getting at.

I have noticed a pattern amongst the parents I know. Those who have polite, thoughtful children who follow instructions and aren't addicted to screens are enjoying home schooling. The others can't wait for the schools to reopen.

Yeah, that's total goady bullshit and you know it.

I'm desperate for schools to be back because I can't split myself in four to work, and teach three children.

I can't support my oldest doing Advanced Highers in science subjects because it's way above my knowledge and you know what - we don't have a full scale lab in the garage.

My middle child needs to be back in school and socialising with her peer group. it's good for her self-confidence and self esteem.

My middle child also needs to be back to properly get on with her drama curriculum because again I have no knowledge of the subject and we don't have a full sized drama studio, lights, make-up and staging in the spare room.

My kids also need to be back in school studying for important exams they are supposed to sit next year and which will determine the Uni course they can apply to.

Some people are just not getting the fact that for so many families homeschooling long term is just NOT an option, and it's nothing to do with whether children are polite or not. FFS.

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito

I agree OP. We are throwing children under a giant fucking bus. It is appalling.

Couldn't agree more. And I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I will have only one child left at school in September (Upper 6).

Looks more like a crime scene than a classroom for children.

I desperately want, as a teacher and parent, to have everyone back into school at the start of sSeptember.

What will help that happen most? Continuation of the long, boring lockdown. No further relaxations until we can see that the trend is inexorably and rapidly downwards. R well below 1 everywhere, so infections coming down. Track and trace all over every single positive test, with 100% adherence to the instruction to isolate after being traced.

Yes, these are Really Boring. Yes, we're Tired of Them, and we want our lives back. But if we want our lives properly back, we need to behave like the populations of countries who have really stamped on this thing - lock down, follow the guidance, take personal responsibility, do the hard yards..

@Tiggering what an awful thing to say. One can only assume you really have led an astonishingly sheltered lifestyle. I haven’t read such a small minded comment on mumsnet for a very long time.

@AuroraBore

What a shame that the majority of parents seem to regard this bonus time they have to spend with their children as an "inconvenience".

What a shame that some parents are so un self-aware that they can't see beyond the end of their own nose.