Schools fubared till November?

[Clemmieandareallybigbunfight]

Disruption to schools could continue to November, MPs told www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52895640

Is this a dystopian joke?

Are we actually trying to fuck up our kids?

Schools need to be instructed to open fully five days a week with enhanced on day cleaning, increased buses to allow distancing, staggered start and finish, covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks and no assemblies. Relatively low investment needed, huge gain economically but more importantly for our kids education and mental health. Some of these kids will never get back to school if they are out for so long. Some will fail to achieve their potential. And all for an illness with a tiny mortality rate overall?

I agree op. I am so upset at the way our children our being treated

I knew that everything was underfunded but it really brings it home when it's pointed out that even with the extra funding promised, spending on education will still be a lot less than in 2010.

The only positive is that this crisis has shown exactly what the Tory party has done to the UK. I was a child of the Thatcher era, but at least we had free further education, to allow for some recovery from our dismal education as children.

TrustTheGeneGenie - i have to admit that the huge effort in planning out bubbles and not comrpomising them does all seem a bit pointless when parents can and will meet in groups of 6.

Is it a union thing? I don't understand why head teachers aren't out there haranguing the government for more funding to allow schools to reopen. I'd actually support a mass reopening of schools in January, rather than September, if that meant they could be funded properly, and the requisite adaptations made, to allow them to open "safely." But I no longer really know what "safely" means tbh, given the government's constant flip-flopping and obfuscating.

Our children are being disgustingly let down here.

Yep and not just that @grasspigeons

If kids are in PT, then a lot of them will use other childcare the rest of the week. Will cause 15 child bubbles to become enormous. Bigger than a 30 child bubble that attends all week!

I completely agree with you. The current proposals are completely disproportionate to the threat of the virus. November is better than I had hoped though.

I agree. The gap between privately educated or those state schools that have done effective online teaching and schools that have done little or pupils that cannot or will not access the online teaching is going to be HUGE

It feels like hardly anyone gives a flying duck that some children won't get any education for 6 months or more

I’m also always really surprised on these threads how many schools seem to have multiple teachers shielding.

covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks

it must be nice to live in your world where all schools benefit from outdoor space

@Clemmieandareallybigbunfight

No I work in a hospital. We are dealing with issues of shielding staff (a relatively small number and working from home on alternative tasks) and large numbers of people through the doors too. We are looking at providing as much as we can to as many as we can, in far more risk laden circs than a school is. Shielding teachers can still work away from the classroom, relieving those who normally have significant admin burdens but can do face to face teaching.

I sincerely hope schools are back before November as the majority of children have lost out on one third of a years teaching. My Y8 child is struggling with lack of meeting up with friends and working in his room ploughing through pages of work.

However, I work in Primary schools And we have no teachers doing significant admin tasks away from the classroom - they are all in front of children teaching. The only exceptions are Headteachers or Heads of School. We employ one teacher per class with PPA cover provided through a variety of methods. We don’t have that slack.

Personally I was a thinking it's November when it's going to all kick off again...

There's going to have to be some sort of part time school system in September; it can't be normal no matter how hard you try. Or / and utilising other spaces such as museums; I can't work out how transport would work well there though.

We do at some point have to accept that we can't stop everyone catching this virus. The cost to children's education and development, to people's mental wellbeing, and to society as a whole of trying to keep everyone in separate boxes for much longer is too high.

don't blame the schools who are doing their upmost, blame the government who has been underfunding schools for years and completely mishandled the situation with the virus.

@SudokuBook

I’m also always really surprised on these threads how many schools seem to have multiple teachers shielding.

Convenient I think

I don’t know about your hospital, OP, but in ours if you put as many staff in a classrooms sized room as you’d have people in a room at work they’d all need to be wearing masks.

As it is people have been moved all over the place to try to maintain social, distancing. Where are you going to put all these children and who is going to supervise them?

There's going to have to be some sort of part time school system in September; it can't be normal no matter how hard you try

Why? Seriously?

WE are not doing this to our children.

The virus is here and everyone is attempting to manage it.

We can't wave a magic wand and create more classrooms and staff.

I do wonder whether there are a lot of people claiming to be shielding when they're not technically shielding, e.g. they're going out and now even having some socially distanced meetings etc - which don't get me wrong us different from working in a classroom environment! But is not actually shielding. Then I think there people who are shielding that don't actually need to, either they've misunderstood the advice or they've been erroneously advised to shield. The shielding list is set to become much smaller as time goes on anyway so lots of people will be removed from that list before the next academic year starts (if it even continues to exist at all). I personally know of a few people who are shielding despite not being in the shielding group, and a few people who are claiming to be shielding despite not being in the shielding group and also not actually shielding e.g. still doing things like exercise outdoors/socially distanced meetings in their garden/food shopping.

I agree with PP that the way children in particular have been treated throughout this is actually appalling. There has been essentially zero consideration of their health and wellbeing which on the long term is far more significant to public health than the risk coronavirus poses to people at the present time.

@user1498572889

Fubared. What a fantastic word. I had to look up what it meant. I will use this word often. 😂😁

I thought it was an auto correct ( don't know what for though!)

@ProsperTheBear

covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks

it must be nice to live in your world where all schools benefit from outdoor space

Are there really schools with NO outside space?

Why? Seriously?

Why not?

What will be different?

If you like fubar you'll love snafu - situation normal, all fucked up.

V applicable to the NHS at the best of times

You obviously have no idea about how schools work , and how social distancing won’t work as there is just not the space for all to go back five days a week, and social distance or to have covered outside spaces etc etc

Lots of schools have just enough rooms for current students at 30 per class, teachers maybe shielding, so can’t work at school, but could work from home as they are at the moment

I suggest you do some in depth investigation, and then come back

I do wonder whether there are a lot of people claiming to be shielding when they're not technically shielding

You do know you can't just claim to be shielding? Bosses actually need to see an official letter or text.