Schools fubared till November?

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Disruption to schools could continue to November, MPs told www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52895640

Is this a dystopian joke?

Are we actually trying to fuck up our kids?

Schools need to be instructed to open fully five days a week with enhanced on day cleaning, increased buses to allow distancing, staggered start and finish, covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks and no assemblies. Relatively low investment needed, huge gain economically but more importantly for our kids education and mental health. Some of these kids will never get back to school if they are out for so long. Some will fail to achieve their potential. And all for an illness with a tiny mortality rate overall?

Ha ha!! Love experts whom haven't ever worked in a school telling us how it should be done! We don't have any extra teachers or support staff waiting in the wings to leap in and take the place of those shielding, or to distribute the over spill of kids to, in additional classrooms we dont have! Schools are chronically underfunded as it is, no money or resources to assist us in implementing the governments guidlines is forthcoming. They've ploughed money and recruited retired staff in the NHS, for schools It's left to Headteachers and their SLT with only the staff they have left and what's left of budgets they had, to drastically change the way they work. We have a duty of care to staff and students, we aren't trained in infection control like hospital staff, you simply can't compare the two.

They won’t be screwed and exams will take into account their disrupted learning. You’re worrying unnecessarily about something that won’t be allowed to happen. And guess who won’t let anyone’s children fail. Fucking teachers, that’s who.

Has anyone looked up the most up to date research coming out showing kids spread as much as adults and schools ie indoor environments precipitate this. 103 kids in school in Israel several primary schools 🏫 n France. This evidence has been lacking so far as schools have been shut but it’s becoming increasingly obvious that schools affect transmission and therefore careful consideration needs to be given as to how they operate.

And guess who won’t let anyone’s children fail. Fucking teachers, that’s who.

These is just hot air. Thousands of children fail in their education year after year, with no outside event like the one we're currently experiencing.

Oh please.

You are not remotely concerned about your kids mental health or their education: you are worried about YOU.

You're fed up of having to deal with child care issues whilst trying to work and the never ending domestic servitude: your kids are and will be, absolutely fine mentally and academically.

It's a couple of months at home, not a complete abdication.

As someone who works in a hospital you should bloody well know better but clearly you're either working non clinically or you just don't care because you've hit your limit.

Either way your post is selfish tosh.

How many more times is this rubbish going to get trotted out?

@Pineapple1

Where are the extra classrooms coming from?

Where are the extra staff members required going to come from?

Where are the extra cleaners going to come from?

Where are the students going to go when limited to 15 per classroom?

How will The employers protect themselves from liability regarding health and safety in the work place?

Who's going to pay for all the additional staff?

Hmmmm.

OP... You haven't a clue.

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Because Jimmy she's doing GCSEs without the support of teachers. I'm not a teacher I can't teach Y10 material. It's not fair on the children at all.

Ah, but Rosebel, according to many on this thread, including those who claim to be secondary teachers, that's because your child is just lazy, unmotivated and should be well on their way to self-instructing.

You know, why bother having teachers or schools, colleges, universities, young people have vast online resources to teach themselves - the motivated ones, of course, the rest are just malingerers who would have been losers, anyhow. Saves a fortune in fees, and then there will be another thing for dementors to whinge about when there are redundancies.

@JimmyGrimble

They won’t be screwed and exams will take into account their disrupted learning. You’re worrying unnecessarily about something that won’t be allowed to happen. And guess who won’t let anyone’s children fail. Fucking teachers, that’s who.

I think state school current year 9s, 10s and 12s will be screwed - schools will be able to take as many as they can socially distance from Sept so you can bet your bottom dollar the vast majority of private schools will get all pupils back in (more space, resources etc) and state schools will have to do some sort of blended (or in my dcs' case no) learning. The exam boards won't be able to discriminate against private school children so those prepping GCSEs/A Levels at state schools that are not managing to provide a decent/any education (for whatever reason) will be screwed.

@MrPickles73

FrippEnos I know more than 2 teachers - I'm just giving examples thanks ;-). I'm not suggesting all teachers are workshy but I think the teachers unions have a lot to answer for and what's going on now is damaging children's futures. Only half of the children invited to attend school have turned up so I dont see there is a big capacity issue. Our school only has 65 children of these about half has been invited to attend and of those 12 have attended so in fact the whole school could be vinted and there would be space for them all. The HT is pro children going back but she's being held back by the teaching unions and the MAT. I just think the teachung unions aren't going to win any prizes after this..

The teachers unions have done nothing except ask questions about how to keep their members safe.

The current policy is the government policy. They didn't even talk to the unions beforehand, they certainly didn't ask their opinion.

You can blame the schools closure on either the government or SAGE, seeing as it's their advice they're (allegedly) following.

As said upthread, the unions have not said no marking. Mine has said to mark as normal but not to replace verbal feedback with more marking. How is this unreasonable?

MrPickles, do you believe in whole class detentions, you know, punishing the whole class for one pupils behaviour or lack of work?
If not, then apply the same principle to this. Be angry with the individual teachers who aren't working, not the whole profession.

Have your friends said why they're not working? My HOD has said we can just direct them to the online textbook which would lessen my workload considerably. I could quite easily sit in the garden and drink beer for a large portion of the day. But I'm not, because it's quite frankly crap, and completely inaccessible. So I'm spending hours adapting my existing resources. Have your friends made a different choice? How is your friend ashamed of the whole profession? Do they know every single teacher? Or are they assuming everyone is the same as them?

Lastly, please be angry with the government, because they're the ones making the decisions not us.

snowballer

Teachers (in general) will do everything in their power to prevent a child from failing.

There are many reasons why children fail, teachers are only a part of that.

This where I am supposed t list all the extra stuff that teachers do to try and help the pupils but TBH CBA.

It's been said repeatedly that the gains made over the last ten years in closing the attainment gap could be wiped out in as little as a few months.

Kids are not in the same boat, believe me. Independents are steaming ahead with new learning - they're not just covering old ground. They're providing a full timetable every day, feedback, and live lessons. The gap is going to widen and the PP is right in saying that exam boards won't be allowed to differentiate between state and indie kids. I know this because I have one at state and one independent and while the state has been excellent, the indie is in a different league.

@Rosebel

Because Jimmy she's doing GCSEs without the support of teachers. I'm not a teacher I can't teach Y10 material. It's not fair on the children at all. Regardless of if you think it's hysterical these children are the future and if schools won't open to support them then yes they will be screwed.

Regardless of if you think it's hysterical these children are the future and if schools can't open because the government guidance says they can't open to support them then yes they will be screwed.

They won’t be screwed, exam boards will take it into account. I’m fairly sure they are sorting stuff for this years y10.

@FelicisNox a lot of generalisations and and unfair comments in your post.
Naive to say children will be fine mentally and academically - some won't.

highmark
When there are redundancies?
Clueless. Absolutely mindblowingly stupid. We need more teachers, not fewer.

Fripp of course they do. I didn't say they didn't. I just took exception to the PP who said that no child will fail as a result of this and teachers will somehow personally see to that. Teachers aren't miracle workers, and those that would fail will still fail. It's just they'll be joined by a new group who were on the edge and will be pushed over by this.

No you get real. This is about people who didn’t deserve to die, including children and you are counting them off as insignificant. So you are quite happy to send all the kids back to school at once and see what happens? I pray that no child suffers if that does happen.

@FelicisNox What a nasty and ignorant post. Clearly you know nothing about education and child protection.

snowballer

Teachers aren't miracle workers,

Indeed we are not. I often listen to I'm no superman by Lazlo Bane and think how true the song is.

and those that would fail will still fail.

Yes they will, again for various reasons.

It's just they'll be joined by a new group who were on the edge and will be pushed over by this.

I agree and the response from the DfE and the government and HTs in response to this will be?
Extra classes, catch ups and revisions sessions and you know what this will achieve?

Serious mental issues due to the pressure being put on them by the state, by the school, by their parents and by themselves.

Which ever way you jump on this the end result will not be good for everybody and even devastating for some. (and that includes some teachers.)

Having just got back from a day teaching 3 key worker children in a hub and read this thread. I was called in because one of our bubbles popped and we will not know if it can recommence until the results of a covid test become available. Whilst trying to teach a reception child, a year 3 child and a year 4 child I also maintained my 9 am to 3pm presence online to my own class and to the year one class who either have not returned to school and are the children who are in the first group. All planning was online from the teachers and fully accessible and I was there to help and support. I also marked the work sent to me and offered suggestions to improve. Out of my class of 30 I have 15 at the most actively participating with me in a dialogue. Before half term I contacted every parent to touch base and see if they needed any help and also to say I understood how home schooling is hard and offer any support I could. It is difficult to balance working from home and home schooling children Today one of the SLT started to phone those parents who still have not engaged to find out if we can offer any other support such as places in the hub for key workers if they wanted. In the circumstances I don't feel I can do any more as I cant take my class back into school because the government has not said so. To say we should not have jobs or be paid when we are working ( I am doing up to 10 hours a day to put work on line, support parents ) is like saying you cant be paid because you are working from home. It is a disgrace to our profession if teachers are not doing anything or providing work and support but I think most are doing their upmost to support learning. Nothing is going to replace face to face classroom learning but at this moment we are trying to adapt in a difficult situation. I am hopeful that what we learn in the next few weeks as children return to school will mean we can adapt and improve and find a way back to schooling effectively. Other business' are having to do the same or will be doing so. It is frustrating but I do understand parent concerns and problems but we like you are in the hands of the government.

This thread is hilarious.

People have lost their livelihoods
People have lost their nearest and dearest
Millions furloughed
Mega recession coming
Massive layoffs and redundancies.

But ignore all that. 6 months of missed schooling is the end of the world and so so much more important. I was a kid at school in the 80’s. Found my old diary a few weeks ago.

7 weeks missed in one ten through, snow, strikes, broken heating. I still got A levels and a degree

Countries that have kept their schools open have found that children are highly resilient and do not pass Covid to adults. Sweden and Belgium for example. It should be parents decision to send child into school or not. At risk adults or children with health issues should not attend. No distancing or special measures needed beyond standard good hygiene, washing of hands etc.. We are incurring even more debt, crippling the economy and this media-hyped hysteria will itself cost lives and a broken future for these children.

I’m afraid the school that my son attends is very small. They couldn’t cope with any sort of distancing measures for half the kids, especially at pick up/drop off. Let alone the whole school.

I’m a mum AND a teacher. We HAVE to get children back to normal life ASAP and cannot continue to disadvantage them because of a v v v small minority of people who are at risk. Children are more than likely to die from drowning or 4times more likely to be hit by lightning than die from COVID 19. This is not a risk free world and never will be. Countries like Sweden and Denmark have not reported any transmission in schools between student or teachers. I have lots of sympathy with those at risk but we cannot hold back 99 per cent of children to protect a v small minority of children who are at risk or live with someone at risk. There are ways at risk children can be taught online by teachers who are at risk, they can have virtual classrooms and try to build relationships and develop vital social skills remotely. AND there are enough teachers, there is an army of supply teachers ready to work. Yes, this will be expensive but then.......what isn’t?
We cannot continue to fail our children - they have to live life and not just exist - sooner they are in classroom the better.