Schools fubared till November?

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Disruption to schools could continue to November, MPs told www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52895640

Is this a dystopian joke?

Are we actually trying to fuck up our kids?

Schools need to be instructed to open fully five days a week with enhanced on day cleaning, increased buses to allow distancing, staggered start and finish, covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks and no assemblies. Relatively low investment needed, huge gain economically but more importantly for our kids education and mental health. Some of these kids will never get back to school if they are out for so long. Some will fail to achieve their potential. And all for an illness with a tiny mortality rate overall?

Are we really suggesting that teaching should be like the police and the military and anyone entering the profession has to pass health screening , otherwise they are not up to the job? Same for nursing, doctors, dentists and care work?
Retirement at 45 won't help the current teaching crisis

Anyway, I'm up for that. Replace me with someone with no experience! There's oodles of them. No recruitment or retentions crisis in teaching at all.

The shielded group is 2.5 million, 3.6 percent of the population. It is difficult to imagine that a pp said that 33 percent of their teachers were shielded.

TrustTheGeneGenie

Their density is irrelevant when the study is about children passing it to parents

Please do some research before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

What a shame that the majority of parents seem to regard this bonus time they have to spend with their children as an "inconvenience".

For god's sake.

I'm going to rant. I'm angry. I've had enough of this.

My DCs have had enough. They WANT to go back to school and they NEED to go back. ds is 7. Hes not seen another child of his age for over 10 weeks. Hes being educated as far as possible but its not enough.. at least key workers children can be with children their own age though obviouslythat comes with it's own worries.

My 14 year old starts GCSE courses next term and shes already worried about what she might miss. Shes doing triple science cor example.. how she meant to do the practical experiments at home? Just 2 children out of millions who are having their education and social development fucked up by this thing.

I need to go back to work before the company collapses and theres no job to go back to. I'm working from home and doing what I can whilst trying to facilitate education but company losing money hand over fist. I cant go back if children are at home all the time. I'm not the only one as we all know... and yes the burden is falling disproportionately on women.

Other countries are managing it. The unions seem to be taking a can't and won't attitude rather than can and will. The government are shambles. SOME teachers seem to be treating it like a holiday while others are working g every second trying to keep on top of things.

and all the time children are being failed.

Actually until I wrote this I had no idea how worried and angry I am.

We no longer care about the much larger vulnerable group, do we?

Anyway, as I have said, this is NOT AT ALL what the actual BBC article said, or was about.

Great post Cottonwoolbrain.

Some people are missing , willingly or not, a very obvious point. Many parents would love nothing more than their kids going back to school AS NORMAL.

But that means assemblies, PE, sports day, school trips, special days, school play, school disco, school movies..
and catch up with friends, let alone the parties they missed, the sleepovers they had to reschedule..

Sending kids back with none of the fun stuff is not such a positive.

cottonwool there is massive link between the other countries that are managing it. We have not achieved these things yet.

I don't want to be the one who dies or loses loved ones because people wish society was business as usual.

I am worried about those that will die because it isn't business as usual. Those who aren't accessing health and care services either through fear or because they have been withdrawn. Those suffering ill health, those whose health is declining, those whose mobility is declining and bringing a multitude of risk factors, those who are battling on and struggling and will need much more intervention then if they were seen now. I care about them and it troubles me deeply that I can't do anything about it. They matter as much as covid.

Other countries are managing it.

Other countries have smaller classes. And better buildings. Other countries have invested in education.

I wonder how many of the people teacher-bashing and insisting schools should return full time at all costs are the ones crowding together, with or without children, on beaches, in National Parks and at beauty spots over the past few weeks? There seems to be a similar disregard for others and around risk. Not everyone, of course. Some people will be behaving responsibly and have genuine reasons and concerns for getting children back to school, as some pps describe with their own situations above.

In similarly affected countries (Italy and Spain) schools have not re-opened.

cottonwoolbrain

Other countries are managing it by sending children back in a phased return, with social distancing, some with masks, some without and others with more.

The unions are the ones that are not only protecting the staff but your children and holding the government to account.

Parents have been holding up Denmark as a place to replicate, now that we are doing that its still not enough.

Go figure.

Other countries are managing it.

Which countries with a similar current level of new infections and deaths are managing it?

And which of those have 'education as normal', rather than what we have - a smaller number of children in each day, only from certain year groups?

TheFallenMadonna

Shh, you are not allowed to mention that :)

Or the countries where schools have closed again.

How do you suggest everyone maintains social distancing in schools if all the students are back full time?

Bearing in mind that is the legislation which is based on not killing children, their parents or their teachers.

I think it'll last a lot longer than that in larger secondary schools - how are they going to manage >1000 pupils switching classes, going to toilets and so on?

People are suggesting not distancing.

What a shame that the majority of parents seem to regard this bonus time they have to spend with their children as an "inconvenience".

Yeah cos working full time at home to the sound of autistic meltdowns is a wonderful and enriching time.

@FrippEnos

TrustTheGeneGenie

Their density is irrelevant when the study is about children passing it to parents

Please do some research before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

It's really not me doing that.

A few people night be saying their staff are shielding as a catch-all phrase covering staff who live with a family member shielding and staff who are clinically vulnerable as both those groups are supposed to work from home or do other lower risk roles according to the guidance.
Its really not beyond imagining that a small school could have a diabetic teacher, a pregnant teacher and a teacher living with somone undergoing chemo.

I just can't get my head around the need for hazard tape splattered all over the classroom. If they're not allowed to read the books then fucking remove them!!

It's like they just want to dehumanize our generation of children. To make them more compliant for future objectives. Who knows.

Why can't we protest about our declining education like Italy are doing.

Welsh schools have a plan. Why don't ours? It's surreal, parks are full of teenagers all over each other. They should be back in school now and let term run into summer to catch up a bit. Only children and teenagers are really suffering here.

Although daily deaths have decreased, the downwards trend appears to have stalled in recent days.

From the BBC...

Sop tell me again why we should be returning everyone to school right now? And about the countries with hundreds of deaths - and thousands of new infections - each day who have fully-open schools?