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Schools fubared till November?

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Clemmieandareallybigbunfight · 03/06/2020 15:41

Disruption to schools could continue to November, MPs told www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52895640

Is this a dystopian joke?

Are we actually trying to fuck up our kids?

Schools need to be instructed to open fully five days a week with enhanced on day cleaning, increased buses to allow distancing, staggered start and finish, covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks and no assemblies. Relatively low investment needed, huge gain economically but more importantly for our kids education and mental health. Some of these kids will never get back to school if they are out for so long. Some will fail to achieve their potential. And all for an illness with a tiny mortality rate overall?

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redeyetonowheregood · 03/06/2020 22:22

@Clemmieandareallybigbunfight

I agree with you. I also work in a hospital.

lotusbell · 03/06/2020 22:23

I am shocked at the number of selfish and entitled people there are on here. I am also saddened at how many parents and children appear to find it hard to spend an extended length of time together

Oh I do.love seeing this old chestnut being rolled out. Aren't we all awful because we chose to have kids so now we should be absolutely delighted to have them home all the time?
What about the parents who are furloughed and have time on their hands to spend with their kids but are worrying about money? Those who have lost their job due to this or face an uncertain future? The parents trying to work from home and juggle homeschooling? What a short sighted response, I'm glad you don't teach my child. You think staying at home with your child, desperately trying to get them doing work, plus thinking of fun activities, getting exercise and fresh air, plus potentially doing work, keeping your house in order and look after yourself is a barrel of laughs? As another poster said, it's not selfish to be concerned about your child's education.

Lemons1571 · 03/06/2020 22:23

Our secondary academy group of schools were allocated 7 of the laptops. Not sure how far 7 laptops stretch between several schools (so around 2000+ pupils)

Crafting1Queen · 03/06/2020 22:23
Biscuit
FrippEnos · 03/06/2020 22:24

Lemons1571

It is good to know that someone has received laptops.

NikeDeLaSwoosh · 03/06/2020 22:27

@FrippEnos

NikeDeLaSwoosh

Why would I waste my time when you believe that you are entirely right and others are already arguing the points that I would make?

Is there a reason that I shouldn't arguing the point with your supporter?
Surely they should be able to argue their reasons for supporting you?

Play the ball, not the man.
NeurotrashWarrior · 03/06/2020 22:28

napqueen is HE. Unlikely to be fully aware of all the complexities of primary especially. It's a different world.

Again, it's not that teachers don't want to be in. Space, logistics.

Build us extra schools like they did nightingale and have the army on standby to teach them and we are sorted.

ListeningQuietly · 03/06/2020 22:29

If I though I could teach my kids as well as a school does
I would have done

I cant
any more than can most parents
the kids need to be back at school for the future welfare of the country

EmpressoftheMundane · 03/06/2020 22:30

On a lighter note, it should be interesting to see how head teachers respond to parents who ask to take their children out of school in order to catch a cheaper holiday flight. Grin

TheFallenMadonna · 03/06/2020 22:30

We haven't got any laptops. We did manage to organise charitable donations to get tablets and dongles for about half of our students who don't have internet access at home. We were hoping the government scheme would provide for the others, but we are still waiting.

FrippEnos · 03/06/2020 22:30

NikeDeLaSwoosh

Play the ball, not the man.

If you are posting this then you have no point to make. Other than to try and draw me in.

Those that support your view should at least be able to make a basic argument for it.

Tiggering · 03/06/2020 22:31

I’m astonished by the number of people who think it is goady to comment that parents of difficult children are having a harder time. It seems self evident to me. I think, irrespective of special needs, if you haven’t found routines and systems which allow you to manage your own children with just your immediate family in your own home to a tolerable level then that should be your priority. How on earth do you expect teachers to manage a child whose own parents can’t cope with them when they have 29 others at the same time? There are significantly fewer variable to manage when you’re in lockdown than in a regular classroom so it should be easier. Unless the child is also unteachable at school but it’s better for the parents when they’re not at home. Obviously it is more challenging if you have a lot of children or you’re also working full time, but there are plenty of people complaining who that doesn’t apply to.

SnoozyLou · 03/06/2020 22:34

@Crafting1Queen 👍

NikeDeLaSwoosh · 03/06/2020 22:34

If you were actually wishing to debate the point, it would be immaterial with whom you were actually having that debate.

Its ok, I'm not going to wait for you at the bus stop and steal your lunch money Smile

snowballer · 03/06/2020 22:36

I've posted a whole host of my own views on this thread Fripp that you could have taken issue with. For some reason you're trying to attack another poster through me but I'm not going to be drawn into a second hand debate.

Ellle · 03/06/2020 22:36

To the posters that seem to believe it is the teachers' fault and their unions that the children will be affected by a severe recession for the rest of their lives: I think your anger is misdirected.

The looming recession will be caused by a new virus that spread so quickly that it resulted in a global pandemic. The UK government had to borrow millions to be able to cope with it because they didn't prepare enough for such eventuality, even though they had been forewarned a pandemic was probably due soon, and had neglected the NHS to the point that it would not have coped had they not resorted to a last minute lockdown "to Protect the NHS" (as the repeatedly drilled onto us).

Part of that money that got the country into further debt was to- among other things- pay companies so that they could furlough their employees in an attempt to prevent them from losing their jobs as their work places where temporarily closed (not because the schools were closed and they now had no childcare, but because the government finally realised they needed to halt the rapidly spreading rate of the virus and break the chain of transmission).

I clearly remember that the last week before the government announced the closure of the schools to all children except for those whose parents were key workers, there were lots of parents signing petitions asking the government to close the schools, and I also know people that kept their children at home before the schools were closed because having spoken with friends in other parts of Europe ahead of us (e.g. Italy, Spain, Greece) they felt the government didn't realise the severity of the situation and didn't feel their children were safe at school. The combination of public pressure from parents wanting the schools to be closed and withdrawing their children from school, together with the growing number of teaching staff self-isolating at home as per the government guidelines without knowing for sure whether they had contracted Covid-19 or not as no test was available at that time unless you were admitted to a hospital, eventually tipped the government decision to close the schools.

Now the government has decided to open schools, in the way they see fit, with the year groups they arbitrarily chose with no previous consultation with the unions, and disregarding the advice from SAGE, as it was later seen when they eventually published their evidence, who had suggested rotas and part time options which have now been adopted in Wales but clearly and explicitly advised against to at schools in England by the government (not the unions).

I understand the frustration with the situation, and the fear for the economic recession in years to come, but none of this was caused by teachers or their unions. It was the virus, and the government inept ways of managing the situation and failing to contain it from the start like it was done more successfully in other countries like Singapore.

For what is worth, I did work at my school until the very last day it was opened amid the fear and uncertainty of this surreal situation, and continued to work throughout the lockdown as part of a rota to provide childcare for the children of key workers. And I am now back full time supporting my Year group which is one of the ones the government chose to allow back. And I thoroughly wish all school year groups could be back at school full time and things were back to how they were before, with no bubbles and no 2 metres distance, but none of that is within my power (or the unions' power for that matter). I don't see how that can possibly happen until the number of cases continues to decrease further so that the R is effectively kept below 1, or a vaccine is discovered, or by some miracle we find out that the virus is indeed mutating and becoming weaker so that eventually it no longer poses a risk to a vast number of people.

Wanting schools to go back to normal with no social distance and a disregard for the safety of the staff or the adults that could be exposed through the children, or the small minority of children who could be badly affected, makes no sense if we are still not allowed to meet with family and friends in larger groups, go to their houses, use playgrounds in the park or go to the supermarket and shops without having to queue keeping 2 metres apart. It just doesn't make sense. If it is safe to throw out caution at school, then what's the point of being so cautious outside the school?

Please direct your anger to the government and ask them to make up their minds.

ProsperTheBear · 03/06/2020 22:37

If I though I could teach my kids as well as a school does
I would have done

there seems to be a real confusion between the concept of a home educating which is a choice
and the current "home schooling" which is helping or encouraging your children to go through the work set up by the school, meaning professionally trained teachers, in exceptional circumstances.

No one has ever said that the concept of school should disappear entirely, we are talking about having your kids home for a few weeks...

FrippEnos · 03/06/2020 22:38

NikeDeLaSwoosh

Its ok, I'm not going to wait for you at the bus stop and steal your lunch money

So much for play the ball.

and as I said, I would like to know the reasons that your supporter is following your lead.

As for your points you have already made clear that you have no interest in changing your views.

sausagepastapot · 03/06/2020 22:38

My DC are struggling and have been for weeks on end. DH and I are trying to work, maintain our relationship and keep a roof over our heads with the DC here. It's fucking impossible.

This can not go on past the summer holidays. Look at other countries, they are doing ok, 3 kids have died from it. 3.

This has to end. The chances of children transmitting it is so so so so so so low, the risk to my family breaking up, and us losing our house and the long term implication on their education (along with millions of others) far outweighs the risk of illness.

TheFallenMadonna · 03/06/2020 22:38

I exclusively teach "difficult" children. Teachers making snide comments about parents' ability to teach their children effectively at home in a time of heightened tension and reduced support is not a helpful contribution to a discussion about schools reopening.

ProsperTheBear · 03/06/2020 22:40

You think staying at home with your child, desperately trying to get them doing work, plus thinking of fun activities, getting exercise and fresh air, plus potentially doing work, keeping your house in order and look after yourself is a barrel of laughs?

that's call .. life. You just have less childcare.

Have people given up completely on their children life before, and outsourced every single aspect of their lives that they don't know what to do at all? It sounds like such a shock for some.

I am puzzled by the constant question on so many groups: how to entertain my child - or better my baby/toddler?
We have never been on full lockdown. What do people do usually if they don't know what to do with their kids at all?

Longwhiskers14 · 03/06/2020 22:41

Thank you Ellle, great post. You have far better articulated the points I've been trying to make!

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/06/2020 22:44

It's not even home schooling or distance learning; the dfe stated schools set things they'd already done in class to keep prior learning fresh, a pause button if you will.

Well Said Ellle

And yes I'm starting to get that Biscuit vibe.

Instead of wasting time here, write to the goverment and SAGE and tell them
how to run it all. While you're at it, demand that shops and restaurants go back to normal too. Clearly if schools can, everyone can.

LockdownLou · 03/06/2020 22:44

@Prosperthebear it is NOT a few weeks. The end of March to potentially November is a few months.

Delatron · 03/06/2020 22:45

It’s not a few months either it’s at least 7 months...

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