Schools fubared till November?

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Disruption to schools could continue to November, MPs told www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52895640

Is this a dystopian joke?

Are we actually trying to fuck up our kids?

Schools need to be instructed to open fully five days a week with enhanced on day cleaning, increased buses to allow distancing, staggered start and finish, covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks and no assemblies. Relatively low investment needed, huge gain economically but more importantly for our kids education and mental health. Some of these kids will never get back to school if they are out for so long. Some will fail to achieve their potential. And all for an illness with a tiny mortality rate overall?

Agree @PickleSarnie this is a stressful time for many of us trying to work and ‘homeschool’

Making shit memories more like. How that ‘making memories’ crap. My kids should be back at school, getting educated and having some much needed social interaction.

Do we want more from the public purse? My earlier post about not being able to pay for supply staff was in response to another poster saying they would be the answer to shielding teachers not being in school.

Nike's "factual statement" that people over 85 with Covid should already have had the old heave ho because they're over the average life expectancy?

But that's not what it said. The post was factual. What you've written is what you chose to read and get offended by. No one is suggesting just letting people die. But there's a vast gap and range of options between killing off the elderly on one side and attempting not fuck up the next few decades for millions of young people.

I completely agree. My year 10 dd's school is opening on June 15th but only a quarter of one year of children allowed and no moving for lessons and concentrating on core subjects only. Dread to think of the effect on GCSE's.

It’s been explained so many times about the problems with ‘proper live teaching’ (by which I assume you mean teaching via an online platform) - I suggest you go and read one of the other threads where it has been explained to you rather than reiterating a fallacy that this is what is required.

@Barbie222

Nike's "factual statement" that people over 85 with Covid should already have had the old heave ho because they're over the average life expectancy?

No, that's eugenics and I'm calling it out. At this time especially. Lives matter.

What kind of grandparent would willingly destroy the entire life of their own GC to buy themselves another 6 months of poor quality life?

Good parenting is the single most important factor in a child's development and even in their educational progress. And I am sure most of you are good parents, hence your agonies of concern.

Good parenting is the single most important factor in a child's development and even in their educational progress. And I am sure most of you are good parents, hence your agonies of concern despite believing in eugenics, not understanding how health care professionals have trained for that, and thinking that your diddums is the most important thing over anything else.

We could also mention the long term and chronic underfunding of SEN provision and support.

We are not getting more money from the public purse. Nor are nurses! Perish the thought!

What kind of grandparent would willingly destroy the entire life of their own GC

"Hey granny, because I've missed 2 months of school, your son/daughter thinks you should die."

@Piggywaspushed

We could also mention the long term and chronic underfunding of SEN provision and support.

We are not getting more money from the public purse. Nor are nurses! Perish the thought!

You're very strike-happy as a bunch though, and its always because you want more money...

Babyroobs 25% of year 10 (and year 12 if there is one) is the guidance. "No more than" said Boris.

Trustthegenie bubbles of 30 for September is one of the options my Local Authority are looking at for September.

@pfrench

I've already dealt with your non-argument.

It holds no water, and if you don't see that, then you really shouldn't be teaching.

By the way, Sweden has basically apologised today for more or less deciding to allow the virus to run rampant though the elderly (many quite healthy). The country is furious. their figures look dreadful.

Even Sweden doesn't have all its schools completely open.

nike strike happy? When?!

"Hey granny, because I've missed 2 months of school, your son/daughter thinks you should die."*

Do you really not understand the wider implications of what's happening now? Do you honestly have no idea of what state the economy is going to be in after this shambles has concluded?

Highmarkingsnowmobile, I will concede my post is about primary. Apologies if that wasn't clear and other than being a secondary school pupil myself, I'm not confident I could speak for high schools or their teachers or even older pupils with needs similar to those the children in my school have.

Yes a lot of adults are fucked up because of their childhoods but this is happening to everyone, not just a small part of the population so will need to be dealt with collectively when children are all back in. Home lives are different so some children will be affected in worse ways than others but I stand by my point that children are resilient and I know my school and others will do everything we can to work around the school time that will have been missed and to support mental health of all children. We do this now but lack support from outside services due to our own lack of funding and they cutting of those actual services, again, by the government not by the schools.

Totally agree OP.

They’re messing up the lives of the majority for the sake of the minority!!! Absolutely disgusting.

If you’re vulnerable then shield. Why the hell does everyone else have to have their lives and the lives of their children turned upside down for potentially years?!!

The vast majority of people have been understanding and compliant but there’s no way that they are going to put the lives of others above their own families. And they shouldn’t be expected too!!!!

The whole country has literally come to a halt for a virus that the vast majority of people will shake off like a cold.

Look, the point is that everyone else has their 'can-do' hat on, except for the teaching unions.

When the actual risk to children and teachers is so very low, one has to question the motivations behind the stance of the unions.

@GinnyStrupac

I wonder how many of the people teacher-bashing and insisting schools should return full time at all costs are the ones crowding together, with or without children, on beaches, in National Parks and at beauty spots over the past few weeks? There seems to be a similar disregard for others and around risk. Not everyone, of course. Some people will be behaving responsibly and have genuine reasons and concerns for getting children back to school, as some pps describe with their own situations above.

Enjoy arguing with that straw man there.

Compare/contrast the average NHS nurse, actually risking their lives for others.

Hmmm, I think you are being disingenuous here. The vast, vast majority of nurses aren't "risking their lives for others". The conditions in which they work and the type of job they do is important, sure, but it's not life threatening. If you look at the data it's the taxi drivers and security guards who are "risking their lives for their jobs". The numbers of people who have got ill and died in the NHS, while individually tragic, ended up being a lot less than thought. There are far, far bigger risk factors. You can't back that emotive statement up. And the NHS is operating its own "phased return" isn't it? Why have we not got back to normal there yet? Same reason as schools are not.

What exactly is your problem with how the phased return to schools is going, apart from frustration that life generally isn't quite back to normal yet? Give some examples of what the government could be doing better, rather than blanket criticism.

I feel you may be off the point a bit Nike

NHS nurses didn’t sign up to die, but they certainly will put other people’s needs above their own, it’s just their mentality is different. More caring, which is to expected, obviously being a caring profession. Let’s be honest though, they didn’t sign up for covid (and a lack of PPE) so that’s a non argument. I truly think the only profession where you know there’s a good chance you will die is a military one.

@LockdownLou

NHS nurses didn’t sign up to die, but they certainly will put other people’s needs above their own, it’s just their mentality is different. More caring, which is to expected, obviously being a caring profession. Let’s be honest though, they didn’t sign up for covid (and a lack of PPE) so that’s a non argument. I truly think the only profession where you know there’s a good chance you will die is a military one.

I'd like to think that teaching is a caring profession too.

Still waiting for your evidence that we are strike happy.

Been teaching since 1992 myself. Think there has been one one day strike in all that time but I can't actually remember.