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Schools fubared till November?

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Clemmieandareallybigbunfight · 03/06/2020 15:41

Disruption to schools could continue to November, MPs told www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52895640

Is this a dystopian joke?

Are we actually trying to fuck up our kids?

Schools need to be instructed to open fully five days a week with enhanced on day cleaning, increased buses to allow distancing, staggered start and finish, covered but open refuge areas allowing distancing whilst outside in all weathers for breaks and no assemblies. Relatively low investment needed, huge gain economically but more importantly for our kids education and mental health. Some of these kids will never get back to school if they are out for so long. Some will fail to achieve their potential. And all for an illness with a tiny mortality rate overall?

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TheFallenMadonna · 03/06/2020 18:36

My union (ASCL) has been pretty pragmatic I think. And my colleagues have certainly contributed to risk assessments around reopening, whatever their union advice has been.

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Barbie222 · 03/06/2020 18:37

NHS nurses didn’t sign up to die, but they certainly will put other people’s needs above their own, it’s just their mentality is different.

This feels like you are resorting to a broad brush to continue the argument I'm afraid. NHS nurses don't, surprisingly, have a hive mind or mentality. No profession does.

DomDoesWotHeWants · 03/06/2020 18:38

What kind of grandparent would willingly destroy the entire life of their own GC to buy themselves another 6 months of poor quality life?

Destroy the entire life? Don't be ridiculous. Your hyperbole is almost as amusing as it is offensive. DS2 missed 8 months due to health reasons but still managed a PhD later on.

My father at age 85 had an excellent quality of life he lived for another 15 years of good quality life volunteering and enjoying life.

You're very strike-happy as a bunch though, and its always because you want more money..

You really don't like teachers do you? Your spite is showing. I taught for 40 years, went on strike once when they were going to sack the dinner ladies. So not for more money.

Piggywaspushed · 03/06/2020 18:39

The one day strike I recall was for conditions , not pay.

NikeDeLaSwoosh · 03/06/2020 18:40

@Piggywaspushed

Do you want me to do even more of your job for you?

JFGI

TheFallenMadonna · 03/06/2020 18:41

I do recall several strikes in my 20+ years. I'm not sure they're relevant now.

Eyewhisker · 03/06/2020 18:42

Snowballer - totally agree.

This is nothing about children’s interests. They are much more likely to die from suicide than from the virus.

I am not sure why November is better than September? Are they seriously planning to keep all shut until there is a vaccine which may never come? We have to do a cautious but full reopening in September but ideally before.

Devlesko · 03/06/2020 18:44

Looks like I'm going to be teaching A level Art, Music and english Lit, or at least supporting from home.
Already had to support GCSE's .
I'd rather do this than moan about what's happening, it can't be helped, the gov have done this throught cuts and mis management of the pandemic.

NikeDeLaSwoosh · 03/06/2020 18:44

DS2 missed 8 months due to health reasons but still managed a PhD later on

Its not about the schooling missed.

Its about the coming global depression, lifetime of higher taxes, austerity (yep, that means paycuts for teachers too) and general economic misery that the unions just don't seem to understand.

Pomegranatepompom · 03/06/2020 18:44

I work in a large nhs trust - the total amount of staff we had shielding, self isolating or with symptoms at the highest point was 11%
It’s now 4%.
Wide range of ages/ ethnicity/ weight (!) pre existing conditions plus pregnant staff shielded.
I would imagine we are very representative, probably a much bigger bame population than outside London.
Staff with asthma continued to work.

Have schools release information about numbers of shielding/symptomatic staff??

xxyzz · 03/06/2020 18:44

My ds will be overjoyed if schools don't restart till Nov - extra long school holiday.

I am relieved too - loving his company and he is learning far more than he would at school, with less stress all round.

That said, I'd want to see a more reliable source for the info than an anonymous MN post. Smile

Piggywaspushed · 03/06/2020 18:44

I don't know what JFGI means.

OK, since you can't be bothered(it was your assertion so don't see why I should fact check it) : my union . NASUWT. Two one day strikes since 1992. Most recent 7 years ago.

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/06/2020 18:45

Why the hell the argument??

Speak to the scientists and the government!!

And then have it out with the virus!

Barbie222 · 03/06/2020 18:47

OP seems to have left but I think it's good to return to the original article posted. If the NHS are saying up to 18 months for normality, many businesses are wfh until after Xmas, and no one knows what's going to happen to restaurants and leisure etc with the 2m rule staying as is, then the article is doing what it set out to do - alert us of the possibility and manage expectations accordingly.

Derbygerbil · 03/06/2020 18:47

We have 1/3 of our staff shielding-we can only open our school as normal

1/3 shielding? 1.5m are shielding nationally - 2.2% of the population, a large proportion of those will be old. Hmm

Piggywaspushed · 03/06/2020 18:47

Schools have to report that to the LA weekly. Not sure why it would get into public domain.

TAs have high incidence of shielding/ vulnerable criteria. The nature of most TAs roles makes not SD very very hard and being allocated another role even harder, given he nature of their job. EHCPs have already been suspended by DfE and I foresee a future with pupils not getting the TA support they need.

WhatExit · 03/06/2020 18:47

the thought that six months of education and life experience is just... gone. That's terrifying. Most, or at least many, adults are able to find a way to understand and live with this. But so many children don't.

@Thurlow I don’t really get this argument. Are your children not having life experiences right now? School is not the only place kids learn. Lockdown has certainly not been idyllic for us, in fact we have struggled in many ways, but to say my children haven’t learned or lived during this time is absurd.

Like a lot of people out normal schedule is crazy, with work, school, commuting, travel, homework, sports, and family commitments. Nowadays, even with juggling work and other responsibilities we spend an enormous amount of time together as a family. We’ve had amazing deep conversations, supported each other through fear and stress, learned how to pitch in on household tasks still working on that one and manage conflict when we are all stuck in the same too-small house. My kids have realized that they actually can live without seeing friends constantly and learned to rely on each other for friendship and fun. My DS and DH have been working together on an enormous DIY project, we’ve all been planting seeds in pots and outdoors, we’ve caught up with family all over the world, I am halfway through reading the Lord of the Rings series aloud to the kids. The kids have helped me sort and box up lots of old toys, sparking so many memories along the way. We’ve kept up with maths and English work from school and we do the other subjects as we can, but we’ve also chosen to devote their time to solidifying their times tables, learning to touch-type, and practicing their musical instruments with heavy bribing . They have been reading constantly. Maybe most importantly they are literally living through a massive historical moment rohhh now and for once we have time to share it with them. If that’s not life experience I don’t know what is.

I am well aware of my enormous privilege in having a safe home, a healthy family, and food in the table, and we discuss these things a lot at home. I know there are many many children who don’t have these things and desperately need what school provides. For the sake of those children I fully support schools opening ASAP. But for typical average children it is ridiculous to say they are “losing out on their childhood” or “not experiencing life.” LIFE is what happens everyday. Unless you are locking your children away and not letting them talk to anyone or do anything, they ARE learning, and probably a lot more than they would in the classroom.

I know I sound like some kind of mummy-blog, #soblessed Pinterest type but that is so far from true. We have legitimate work, financial and family health worries. The kids are on screens way too much, the house is a tip and sometimes they all fight so much I want to walk out and never come back. But this is LIFE, the kids are experiencing it with us every day. I would never have chosen for this to happen but educationally it has been a fantastic opportunity and WELL worth missing a half year of formal school. If anyone is concerned about their child’s formal education there are SO many resources available online. You don’t need the school to set worksheets or keep the kids staring at screens doing online lessons.

I am worried about so, so many things right now, but my kids losing out on learning or “missing out on life” don’t even figure in my mind.

snowballer · 03/06/2020 18:47

DS2 missed 8 months due to health reasons but still managed a PhD

Yep - I'm sure all the children who've received no education this term, whose parent/s have already lost or are at risk of losing their jobs, who live in insecure housing or if they're really unlucky live in violent households with no access to the one safe place they have will go on to get PhDs like your DS.

And if they escape all that they can look forward to their generation repaying the debt this will leave us in, which will make 2010 onwards look like a walk in the park.

PhD. FFS

Piggywaspushed · 03/06/2020 18:48

2.5 m are shielded.

xxyzz · 03/06/2020 18:48

@NikeDeLaSwoosh

DS2 missed 8 months due to health reasons but still managed a PhD later on

Its not about the schooling missed.

Its about the coming global depression, lifetime of higher taxes, austerity (yep, that means paycuts for teachers too) and general economic misery that the unions just don't seem to understand.

Do you want the children working up the chimneys to pay for this then? Grin

How does children being off school affect the global depression? If their schools are closed because of the pandemic, their parents' workplaces will be closed too.

NikeDeLaSwoosh · 03/06/2020 18:48

There have been many, many instances of teaching unions threatening throw DC under the bus unless they get more money ('better conditions/safety' are just euphemisms for wanting more money).

Another example

InterGalacticPenguin · 03/06/2020 18:49

@xxyzz

My ds will be overjoyed if schools don't restart till Nov - extra long school holiday.

I am relieved too - loving his company and he is learning far more than he would at school, with less stress all round.

That said, I'd want to see a more reliable source for the info than an anonymous MN post. Smile

Well, as you're doing such a good job, just de-register him and home school. Let some child who wants to bet there have his place.
lemonsandlimes123 · 03/06/2020 18:49

Nike -

Its about the coming global depression, lifetime of higher taxes, austerity (yep, that means paycuts for teachers too) and general economic misery that the unions just don't seem to understand.

Well none of those things are the responsibility of teachers, the education of children is. So I am not sure what your point is?

If those are your concerns then I suggest you address them with those responsible. If you have queries around the academic education of children and young people then by all means take it up with teachers.

Derbygerbil · 03/06/2020 18:49

I am not sure why November is better than September?

Indeed, I’d have thought it would be worse if anything!

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