Why aren't there angry posts about Tim Matthews admitting he made up Dominic Cummings sighting?

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Tim Matthews has admitted he made up a sighting of Dominic Cummings at Barnard Castle for a joke. It wasn't a very funny joke. I haven't heard anyone laughing about and why has it taken until now to admit it was a lie?

Ah! Yes @itsgettingweird.

As usual there are a few intertwined issues b ing discussed.

My take on it is to take him at face value. His actions have defined him.

But that also applies to those who tried to make political, career or comedic capital from it!

They all require second looks, questioning if their motives.

And I wondered if any posters who had been posting negatively, vociferously about all the previous information and accusations felt anything about having believed the lies about him.

But that also applies to those who tried to make political, career or comedic capital from it! They all require second looks, questioning if their motives

Do they though? Are we at a detriment from their political etc motives? Are their motives hidden or obvious? In particular - are they hypocrites and do their actions put others at risk, because those are key issues with the Cummings scandal.

This does tend to confirm the notion that Cummings is the victim of a political witch-hunt.

This does tend to confirm the notion that Cummings is the victim of a political witch-hunt

What does? The fact that one person made up a lie about him doing something wrong on the back of a lot of truths about things he had done wrong? That's not a 'witch hunt'.

I still haven't heard Hancock say why Ferguson should have resigned but Cummings was fine to do what he did - going to Barnard Castle.

I would love to him explain his reasoning.

Still, the damage has been done for the Conservatives.

Anyway, I'll leave you all to it I'm off into the garden

Ooh so was i ...need to catch up 😀

Doing a cummings is a new golf term

Just thought I’d drop that in

Can't help you, CuriousaboutSamphire, because the first actual lie I've heard about Cummings on this is the Tim bloke this thread is about – and I only heard that on this thread.

There have been a couple things said about Cummings which have turned out not to be true, but I don't think were necessarily lies:

1. the first witness who heard him comment on the bluebells and thought this was on 19 April (I waited for corroboration of the original story before believing any of it, and when the denial of this bit was actually tolerably convincing, assumed the witness just mistook the date);

2. Grant Shapps, who went out on national TV and claimed that Cummings had gone to his parents' place and “They didn’t then move around from there.” I imagine Shapps invented this hoping it would be true – he presumably assumed Cummings' wasn't arrogant enough to drive to the other end of the country with suspected CV and then go out on a jolly! Oops!

Shapps' comment is pretty close to the line, though.

Dunno, Curious, would you say Shapps' comment was a lie?

(And did you believe it?)

Of course, we've heard at least one lie by Cummings during this.

I did believe his lie, ie the claim he'd written about the threat of CV last year, because why on earth would he lie about this? So yes, openly admit he took me in with that.

I'm pretty sure he's lying that the main purpose of his outing to Barnard Castle was to test whether he was fit to drive. I've never believed that one!

Doing a cummings is a new golf term

Rufus I do like a bit of golf (watching as I’m crap at playing) and I had heard that. Definition is:

A drive that goes way off course, ends up somewhere it really shouldn't, yet there's no penalty

Had to give that a a bit of a

stormzy

Oh thank goodness someone else who’s heard of it...thought i might have to explain it!

It is funny 😁

Ah that golf term is fabulous!

I'm also loving that a very old English saying has returned to our modern times "you're having a barney castle"

Martin Clunes was chuckling about that on HIGNFY the other day!

But whoever said above about lies both sides and believing them is right. There's no denying the media get it wrong best, embellish as rule and lie as the worst.

But then again I'm not sure "we took a rest drive to check I was fit and 'ended up' on the outskirts of Barnard Castle" was an award winning truth either.

That's why I've always live the 3 sides to every story analogy.

That's why I've always live the 3 sides to every story analogy

Yes

My truth
Your truth
The truth

Dunno, Curious, would you say Shapps' comment was a lie? Yes, in hindsight it was one of those back to the wal fingers crossed, shou;dn't have said it, stupid fucker lies!

(And did you believe it?) No!

I think you may have mistaken me for a Cummings/Tory apologist!

I'm just another for the 3 sides to every truth (maybe more, depending ont he number of combatants).

Do they though? Are we at a detriment from their political etc motives? Are their motives hidden or obvious? In particular - are they hypocrites and do their actions put others at risk, because those are key issues with the Cummings scandal. Given some of the headlines recently, yes! Some of the more, erm, notable ones gave the impression that lockdown was being lifted/lightened... that helped all the hard of thinking justify flocking to beaches etc. .

Don't mistake me for a Cummings apologist. Taking him at face value, believing he is who he portays himself as is enough!

But one man alone should not be such a huge political distraction. Keep looking!

I wouldn't necessarily say Shapps lied.

If he didn't know he'd gone and had even been told he didn't he can only act on what he's told.

Raab - who was running country during that period seemingly had no idea reading between the lines of what he's been saying.

I expect there's been some seriously furious discussion at the top.

My MP, who is the AG is still not responding to emails.

Because

1). The story about the second visit would never have been reported if Cummings had answered questions weeks ago. If he didn't feel that the trip to Durham was wrong, he could have confirmed that it had been made and shut down the story. This clarification of the rules would also have been helpful to other parents who were struggling with childcare.
2). Cumming's account confirmed that he had broken the rules.

he story about the second visit would never have been reported if Cummings had answered questions weeks ago. If he didn't feel that the trip to Durham was wrong, he could have confirmed that it had been made and shut down the story. This clarification of the rules would also have been helpful to other parents who were struggling with childcar

If he had nothing to hide, then why hide it?

He knows all about optics.

Merry Yvette Cooper actually asked BJ outright if the message now to parents is move if you know you'll need childcare in the case both parents have it. He wouldn't answer.
I've asked my own MP. She isn't responding to any emails.

As the Dowager Countess Lady Violet Grantham once wryly observed, "The truth is neither here nor there; it's the look of the thing that matters."

Credit: Maggie Smith's delivery

Please don't knock the Daily Mail its the only news outlet that could be bothered to send a reporter to sort out the truth and give the other side of the story.
We have a witness who won't say when he drove to Ascot.
This return journey can be done in a day but I doubt it.
And a liar who said he saw him in Houghall Woods.
You may say that doesn't alter the picture but I know what I would do with a sick child and its exactly what Dominic did.

The child wasn't sick

*Doing a cummings is a new golf term

Just thought I’d drop that in*

@RufustheLanglovingreindeer - sounds interesting – what does it mean in the golf context?

tantie

*A drive that goes way off course, ends up somewhere it really shouldn't, yet there's no penalty

Dh mentioned it to me but luckily stormzy explained it upthread as i wouldn’t have had a sodding clue 😀

You may say that doesn't alter the picture but I know what I would do with a sick child and its exactly what Dominic did.

You would take it on a drive to test your eyesight?