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No space at school

378 replies

PinkDiamond1 · 29/05/2020 08:47

This is outing so have NC.

Our school is a large primary 3 form per year.

They've offered alternate weeks starting from the 8th June for year groups.

We were undecided on sending our DC back.

However we got an email yesterday saying they were at full capacity for key worker and Nursery R, Y1 and Y6 and can't accept anymore children!

Is this allowed?

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Legoandloldolls · 29/05/2020 20:17

Only 20 children out of 90 are back in my dd infant school. I doubt that will change come September.

I wanted to start my PGCE next September but not idea how I will get work experience now.

I just cant see anything changing until there is a vaccine

WingingWonder · 29/05/2020 20:17

No you can’t change your mind because they need enough staff to plan and teach the bubbles
3 classes of 30 suddenly need 6 teachers...
Your child will be no worse off than many
You had a choice, and said no

VerbenaGirl · 29/05/2020 20:19

Yes, health & safety trumps all. They assess how many they can safely accommodate within current distancing / bubble guidelines, prioritise the vulnerable and the children of key workers, then try to accommodate anyone else who has said yes. There is no right to return in the current situation, and work will continue to be provided for those who are not in school (which is going to be a real juggling act for teachers).

titbumwillypoo · 29/05/2020 20:43

"My NDN is a HT, she has been to her school for around 2 hours each morning since lockdown. The rest of the day she has mooched in her garden and walked her dog. She did make loud video calls for the first week but that soon stopped"
Well your HT NDN (1 out of 22,400 headteachers) may be:
a) Really efficient at her job and working from home (unless you're spying on her 24/7 which would be weird on your part)
b) Lazy
c) Made up so you can have a pop at an entire profession.
The fact that you seem so invested in this subject makes me think:
a) You could be one of those furloughed workers getting paid to sit one their arses all day who wants to get back to work because they're bored.
b) A parent who is sick of the sight of their own children.
c) A Tory who believes that the guidelines actually mean "do whatever you want no matter how it affects others."
d) A goady bugger.

IHateCoronavirus · 29/05/2020 20:49

titbumwillypoo Grin

IHateCoronavirus · 29/05/2020 20:53

Many, many people have continued to work in environments that are far more scary than in a classroom

You’ve obviously not been in a science lab with 9e on friday afternoon Wink.

BarbedBloom · 29/05/2020 20:54

Unfortunately this is the case in a lot of places due to space and staff. Not even clear if schools will stay open for long anyway as South Korea is closing them again after a big spike

titbumwillypoo · 29/05/2020 20:58

9e on friday afternoon Cake Wine Flowers Daffodil Gin

IHateCoronavirus We salute you for your service!

Tearingmyhairout0110 · 29/05/2020 21:00

Ha I used to be in that year 9 science lab class on a Friday afternoon. One particularly memorable moment was having the whole school evacuated 👌

Pumpertrumper · 29/05/2020 21:06

My aunt is HT at a very large local school.
The issue is this..
-Kids now require 2-3x more space than they did before.
-The school has not gotten any bigger.

No matter how many times you explain this to parents they’re still outraged that little Reuben and Delilah aren’t getting to go back. Not sure what they expect to happen???

Would you accept your child being crammed unsafe into a room? What do you actually expect to happen? Should the already deprived of funds schools double in size over night? How?

CV has changed things, the world is going to be much less ‘politically correct’ or kind to an entitled generation.

AlaskaAnn1e · 29/05/2020 21:22

I just don’t know how anybody doesn’t know this, particularly the wife of a governor.Confused

Frozenveggista · 29/05/2020 21:30

Our primary can’t manage all the years invited back from 1st June either. I’d say lots can’t.

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2020 21:48

I think the whole debate shows up people who can't do basic maths and blame teachers for their own inability to do maths and teachers inability to perform miracles.

If you have a school that has an above average number of vulnerable children or key worker children AND/OR has to have 2 or 3 times more classrooms and teachers for a school that hasn't magically expanded during lockdown, then you aren't going to be able to get kids the government has promised places to, to return.

Its almost as if these parents have failed to step foot in their child's school.

There not being enough spaces is a fairly common occurance across the country, because schools are build and used to maximum capacity based on classes of 30 children in normal times. There simply isn't the ability to put them anywhere else.

I am awaiting the avalache of bitching to start about how Johnny isn't in the same class as Freddie, the start / end times aren't convenient for parents, how its unfair that one school has managed it but another hasn't, how its crap the kids are bored because they are just doing worksheets, how distressed little Evie was at the 'horrific conditions at school that I wasn't informed about', how disadvantaged Teddy is because he got the TA and not the teacher, how Olivia is not observing the social bubbles because she's playing with Poppy outside school and they aren't in the same bubble etc etc.

All of which the teachers are somehow supposed to fix or are publically abused as being shit and lazy.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 29/05/2020 21:51

My NDN is a HT, she has been to her school for around 2 hours each morning since lockdown.
My DDs head has been in pretty much 7 days a week and over the holidays. She dedicated normally, but not that dedicated not something we would level as a criticism. Maybe your neighbour is lucky, but I feel for DDs.

Macaroni46 · 29/05/2020 22:16

@Playdoughbum thank you for your empathy. I'm a HT currently working out my notice. The job was stressful enough before but this recent situation has confirmed that for me, headship is a thing of the past come July. I always dreamed of becoming a head but it has got to the point where my mental and physical health was suffering so much I felt I had no option but to leave.

milkysmum · 29/05/2020 22:19

Well all the plans at our school for R, Y1, Y6 to start back next week have been postponed. We have just received an email tonight to say as Lancashire County Council are not supporting schools to re- open as they do not feel it is yet safe. School have said they will obviously only open when the local authority advises them to, when that will be nobody knows.
Keyworker provision to remain but apart from that nobody is returning yet.

Pinkblueberry · 29/05/2020 22:40

The majority have been having absolute jolly in the past ten weeks
It is now time they were back working at what they are paid to do and that is teaching our children

There’s a lot of talk like this on social media and although I take most of the negativity on the chin, comments like this do get to me. I find it really upsetting actually that people view teaching staff in this light. Working in a school is very much a vocation, not just a job. All the teachers I know, including myself really wish things could just go back to normal. I miss my day to day job and I miss my class. I certainly wish I could go back to ‘working at what I’m paid to do’ - by which I mean working in school everyday with my whole class - except it is not safe (for everyone who has been living under a rock Hmm.) The way schools are being run now is not normal and it is not ideal - just like every other aspect of life right now. School staff are doing their best to look out for their pupil’s safety and health, physical and emotional wellbeing - and people are turning this around to insinuate that they are being work shy. It’s disgusting.

IHateCoronavirus · 29/05/2020 23:18

Once upon a time there was a school. An ordinary little school, in an ordinary town. It was run by ordinary teachers, and attended by ordinary little children who came from from ordinary families like yours and mine.

This schools’ name was St Boris of the Unattainable Pledge C of E Primary School.

Like many schools up and down the land St Boris’ was a happy place where staff and children lived within ‘the values’ and fostered a love of learning despite a crippling budget that saw off three TA’s and the part time teacher Mrs Fothersque, and cuts which sadly put an end to the heavily subsidised school trips.

However, these were no ordinary times. The land had fallen into darkness. A virus was sweeping the kingdom and causing men, women and children to become ill. Sometimes people would get ill and then get better. Sometimes they would scarcely know they had been infected at all. And sometimes, just sometimes the people of the land would become so ill that they would die. The people wept. Something had to be done.

To protect the kingdom, the rulers of the land decided to make new rules! “Hoorah!” shouted the people, “A little too late” heckled a few.

The nurses nursed like never before. The police policed, the shopkeepers kept shop, teachers found new ways to teach, the bus/train/lorry drivers drove and thousands upon thousands of people made little offices in their homes and worked in ways beyond their imagination.

Everyone agreed that the people were doing their best. They clapped and cheered and painted rainbows and for the smallest of moments, despite the sorrow and the pain the kingdom lived as one.

During this time, the rulers of the land decreed that some of the children of St Boris of the Unattainable Pledge C of E Primary School had to stay at home. Others could go to school. These were the Key Worker Children, loved by all for the special work their parents did. They played and read stories and painted rainbows and despite the sorrow and the pain the school worked as one.

The weeks went by and discontent began to set in. The less honest of the kingdom began to live outside ‘the values’ and those whose hearts were true felt something had to be done.

One dark day it happened. The most powerful man in the land, advisor and trusted aid, was also found to be dishonest and untrue. “No!” cried the people, but the leaders just shrugged. “Stop” bayed the angry mob but again the leaders would not listen. The crowed grew angrier still. Then, just as heads were about to roll. The ruler of the land realised his cunning plan.

“All schools shall open forthwith, and because I know all about schools having been a child once myself, I declare the following shall be put in place...”
And as if by magic he captivated the people with carefully woven words.

Meanwhile at St Boris of the Unattainable Pledge C of E Primary School the staff had listened and were getting worried. They missed their children dearly but they had done the maths (school staff are generally good at maths) and the promises made to the people just didn’t add up.

The rooms in their ordinary little school were too small to fit in 15 children at 2m intervals, and too few to fit in groups of less. The ordinary staff of the ordinary little school were also too few with the budget being so poor, and what staff they had were not equally qualified enough to satisfy the most disconcerted amongst their set. What were they to do?

The magical fairies that once granted the wishes of the good people of St Boris’ No longer existed. Well not since the EYFS unit was built to accommodate the 30 hours “free” childcare fiasco. So, only real solutions from ordinary non-magic folk would do.

“We know!” The staff cheered. “We will live by ‘the values’ and be honest. We will share our concerns and our struggles and just as before, when we clapped and cheered and painted rainbows we will work as a community to do the best for our children despite the sorry and the pain.

Oh how wrong they were! Times were strange. “No, I don’t want a place for my child!” meant “Yes, yes I do!” The people remained fixated on the carefully woven (yet ill thought out) words of the mighty puppet leader. Trust grew weak, people spied on their neighbours with a less than neighbourly attitude (and no concept of flexible working hours), brows became furrowed and all in the land, but the puppet and his master, sighed.

Any easier to understand?

Hibbetyhob · 29/05/2020 23:33

@ihatecoronavirus 👏 👏 👏 amazing!!

bombaychef · 30/05/2020 00:09

Yes. Its sh.t. I'm a KW but partner working FT a home. So kids getting zero attention age 8/10

stairway · 30/05/2020 00:23

The problems will not go away in September though. It is really sad that some children will have 2 school years disrupted. OP you have made a terrible mistake by not getting your child back to school now. As soon as I saw the letter from my kids school saying they won’t be going back in June, I emailed the head and asked if they could go back under key worker provision. I’m so glad they are going back in June now as it means they are guaranteed to going back in September.

Mistressiggi · 30/05/2020 00:36

But, sorry, forgot this was MN for a moment where no one can criticise teachers
GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin
Funniest thing I've read in ages.

pfrench · 30/05/2020 00:46

The vast majority of teachers I’ve spoken to have said they aren’t as busy as when they are full time classroom based.

How many out of the 500,000 teachers in this country have you spoken to? Frankly teachers should be less busy all the time, 60 hour weeks are normal for many. I'm enjoying having a few hours not working between 7.30am at 11pm. It makes a nice change.

The vast majority of lazy furloughed folk I've spoken to have been pissed up every night and down the beach every day on government money. Having a jolly old holiday. The vast majority of stay at home parents I've spoken to are having a shit time not being able to go to yoga at 9am then to coffee at 10.15. Some of them are missing big chunks of Loose Women cos Otillie needs someone to help her with her worksheet.

pfrench · 30/05/2020 00:49

Funniest thing I've read in ages.

Christ, what a sad life you lead. Try Private Eye or Beano (delete accordingly).

Mistressiggi · 30/05/2020 00:51

Oi! Back in the drawer Miss Catty.

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