412 new cases today !!

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Yesterday it was 187(I think) today 412
Where are this deaths?
Do you know if anybody that as died from it?
As I don’t

It would be interesting to know

I had to listen to my neighbours telling there children (socially distanced in their garden) it was all a bunch of hype no reason at all to be locked down etc etc she is the one with the stockpile of food etc in her shed

I'm fortunate to be in an area with very few cases and even fewer deaths I know I'm lucky

4 of my friends have lost parents in the last fortnight, 3 NW and one SE.

Lots of people have died in the care home I work in :-(

IHateCoronavirus, I'm in Liverpool, combined with parts of knowsley, I think we are pushing up the statistics for the NW. We have a large amount of lung disease. This has been an ongoing issue since post war. Our air is very poor quality and we are very deprived.

In Liverpool we have the most people shielding. We had the same DNA strain as Madrid etc, it did come in with the football supporters. Its how we know that drinking in each otbers company for more than 10 minutes isn't good. From before lock down our MPs were bringing up the plight of the care homes here and it was dismissed by Boris in Parliament. In my area there are three homes close by and in all half of their residents have died. It's particularly bad in the dementia units for obvious reasons.

The Liverpool echo was reporting the deaths. In a work capacity, i know five people who have died, three were 40+ and had no significant health issues. One was 60+ with no health issues. One was in his 30's and was obese. Personally i know two people who have died, both over 75, but living independently in their own home.

Last year we were asking for support because of our air quality and we had been hit the hardest by the cuts, but a Tory government won't give anything to Liverpool.

We have just been denied £44 million of much needed funding. We have been given less of a rescue package than more prosperous areas. But then, they are down South.

iwantmyownicecreamvan - so sorry

I know two personally, many more professionally

Ponoka7 thanks that is really interesting. Why such a problem with air quality? Is it Manchester and Liverpool airports plus the motorway networks?
I fall under the Knowsley health authority. We apparently have the worst level of tooth decay amongst children and also one of the worst levels of language development in our Pre-school children! it is pretty bleak!

to everyone who has lost someone.

I can’t believe some of you have not been touched by Coronavirus at all. I know lots of people who have had it. I’d say about 20, including my own family although not officially tested.

I don't know anyone who has died of it. I know two people officially diagnosed but they are now fine and it's the opinion of my dr SiL that I've had it (temperature, persistent and long lasting cough, breathlessness even though fairly fit and chest pain in the middle of march). We isolated in case and whilst it was unpleasant, I didn't need medical help.

I lead funerals.

I've met lots of people who have died from it. (Or rather - I've met their grieving relatives)

Humans die everyday. My uncle died young earlier this year, it's sad when a loved one dies. But this "pandemic" is hardly deadly. If it was we would be seeing at least a 50% population drop. Not a threat in any way to human population. I'm sick and tured of people hyping it up. I'm sure that the daily deaths are less than the amount of babies being born daily. Also people aren't lookinf at tyue figures of how many have recovered from this, it's a far greater number.

If so is the NW doing a worse job at containing it?

I don't think so.

Lancaster and the Lakes were badly hit as people decamped to spend lock down in beauty spots (I imagine Barnard Castle had a similar issue). The hospital's had limited resources to cope with the influx.

The conurbation around Liverpool and Manchester has had a lot of cases.

We have a high South Asian population.

SchadenfreudePersonified your name is brilliant esp. for someone who leads funerals.

I must be honest I only know 2 who have had it - one works in the hospital, she then passed it to her dad (they live together, no rule breaking). Neither were too severe, no hospital, both pretty mild cases but both said they were essentially bedbound due to no energy for about 5 days and often felt like someone was sitting on them.

They live in quite a small house with one bathroom but the other two family members managed to avoid it. Or just had no symptoms. This was fairly early on so the other two were not tested. This is where we are falling flat.

It's not these communities primarily that are packing out the parks and beaches etc.

Sure, I'm suggesting that's one possible factor in some areas.

Condolences to those who are bereaved.

However, we live on the Surrey borders. DH and I work for large organisations. DH knows of three confirmed cases thrpugh work, all recovered. I know of two confirmed cases through work both recovered. We both worked in London until 16th March and 22nd respectively. Since then wfh although DH has had to go in since last Monday using private transport.

The DC are 25 and 22. The 25 year old, like ds commuted to central London until 22nd March. The 22 year old came home from uni on 15th March and knows of one confirmed case at her College.

Our mothers' experiences - both outside London, both in their 80s are the same.

We all know of a few people who claim to have had it bit the ones I know of tend to think they are often ill.

In my huge Sainsburys, all the regular staff are there week after week and tell me there have been three cases, all back at work.

We will not actually have a figue for excess deaths in 2020 until late Jan 2021.

The chance of dying is miniscule and it seems extraordinary how many people on MNet lnow people directly who have or have had confirmed diagnoses.

Even with track and trace if introduced tomorrow I shall only have to self isolate if it is identified I have been in contact with an infected person within two metres for more than 15 minutes. As we have followed guidance that won't be the case. Even for ds who has been going up to town since Monday 15th May

If one of us catch it, it will be from a fleeting contact which isn't supposed to be at all likely.

To be fair, the three South Asian houses owned in my road have all had visitors every weekend. And they are all medics

Coronavirus - Thank you - but I don't take pleasure in people's loss. I do however take pleasure int he Area Dean (who is a cow!) showing herself up in public trying to show off in front of the Bishop, and making really stupid mistakes . . .

Not terribly Christian of me, I'm afraid.

SchadenfreudePersonified maybe not very Christian but definitely understandable.

My sincere condolences to those who have lost friends and family.

I must be in some sort of a bubble. I don’t know anyone who has had it or even know of anyone who has had it, let alone died from it. One friend displayed symptoms but tested negative.

I'm in a town in the NW. I know "of" people that have died through friends and family, but nobody close to me.
My ds has heard two cases from where he works, they've been furloughed all the time though.
A midwife lost her life in our local hospital, and she shouldn't be forgotten.
Just because you don't know somebody personally doesn't mean you shouldn't offer/show sympathy.
The NW has had casualties, the same as everywhere else, the figures differ, obviously.

@iwantmyownicecreamvan I n am so so sorry xx

@LordyLordy1

What do people expect? It's the result of people not observing lockdown on VE Day/ weekend and gradually doing what the heck they want. I lost count of the people NOT social distancing that weekend and having parties in their gardens.

Except it's not.

Todays higher number is down to the 3 day weekend delaying reporting.

The rolling average rate continues to drop

Pmsl at notion this is only a pandemic if 50% of people die and anything less than that then we shouldn't be bothered. There aren't enough rolly eyes emoticons on the internet.

I don't know anyone who has died from it or even had it.

Restricting myself to friends in this country (I have friends in other countries who've lost loved ones) I've got 4 friends who've had it, two of them pretty seriously, and my next door neighbour has lost her BIL. And I'm in one of the areas of the country with a very low case rate.

for all those who've lost those close to them.

I am finding the callousness of some people on this thread horrifying.

There have been a number of people on this thread who have lost parents and other close family members and yet others saying things like: "Humans die everyday. My uncle died young earlier this year, it's sad when a loved one dies. But this "pandemic" is hardly deadly."

What kind of a weird non-human can you be to make comments like that in the face of others' grief.

These are not 'normal' deaths - these are unnecessary deaths, avoidable deaths; not deaths of the vey old or the terminally sick but of people who had years of good life left to live.

Thailand, for example, is a country with a population slightly larger than ours. But it has had only 57 deaths from coronavirus, despite being nearer to the source of the outbreak and having had less time to prepare.

South Korea has a population is about 5/6 of the size of the UK and had an initially large number of cases. But they have had only 263 deaths.

It is not an unimportant blip that the UK has had over 60,000 deaths by the most realistic count (or over 37,000 deaths according to the 'official' figures). Every single one of those deaths was a real person, with family, friends and communities who miss them.

That is shocking and not something we should be trying to ignore or play down.