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Shops to reopen on the 15th June

261 replies

SistemaAddict · 25/05/2020 19:08

Just listening to the briefing. So pretty much all back to normal on the 15th apart from education? Does he really think people are going to docilely distance still??

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MyKingdomforaNameChange · 25/05/2020 21:02

Non essential shops were always June, starting from the 1st, but in phases.

Hairdressers, nail bars etc were July.

feellikeanalien · 25/05/2020 21:06

How are they going to deal with the queues to get into shops in shopping centres? If you have a row of shops next to each other how on earth are they going to ensure social distancing?

Shopping is such a horrible experience at the moment anyway I can't imagine going to a shopping centre.

Dickorydockwhatthe · 25/05/2020 21:08

So when will hair dressers open??

bigchris · 25/05/2020 21:09

It's time they got libraries open too even if they just open for computer use and to collect reservations. Have they redeployed library staff to contact tracing or are they furloughed?

Local government in my area haven't furloughs library staff

Librarians workimg from home
Library assistants at home on full pay

Fiddlersgreen · 25/05/2020 21:10

I work in a small, independent shop, currently furloughed, my employer haven’t spoken to me about when they want me back at work.
I’m concerned about how they plan to ensure myself, my colleagues and the customers can stay safe.
Obviously limit the number of customers in store at a time etc but our computers are less than a metre apart so would only be able to have one member of staff there at a time. Also before we closed we had tried to buy gloves and hand sanitiser for in the store but everywhere was sold out.
I can’t get to work without public transport so I’ll have to be getting on the bus everyday from June 15th too, that wasn’t mentioned tonight either i believe?

bigchris · 25/05/2020 21:10

Dickory - July

MarginalGain · 25/05/2020 21:11

You'd hope so wouldn't you? I was not impressed (and told her so) that my 80+ vulnerable mum decided to go to the shops today to buy a new landline phone. She didn't need one, she just felt like it.

Surely it's up to her how she spends her 80s rather than you.

bananaskinsnomnom · 25/05/2020 21:11

The government want the shops open quickly because a significantly large portion of those on furlough will be retail staff. Less people on furlough, more people spending. Less people than normal though - as someone said above, no office workers nipping in for their morning/lunch coffee and meal deal, no quick lunch break browsing. However people need things - I do! I’ve been trying to find some summer clothes for work (back to school!) and have seen a lot of what I’m after out of stock. The supply lines have broken or slowed right down. Children have grown. The shops will generate money. I personally won’t be going in on the first day, that will be mayhem. I do know some individual shops that I would like to try and support though for upcoming birthdays etc. I imagine a lot of smaller shops will have “3 customers at a time” or such rule, my newsagent has that.

I have mixed feelings as to whether it’s the right thing to do. Like most people, I have my opinions but don’t actually know.

What I would love is for medics to be sent out and just knock on everyone’s door and swab us all for testing. Then we can find who’s had it, who hasn’t, where the hotspots are....then we can get a bit of normality back. Our speed of testing has been ridiculous.

As for schools, I’m actually in favour of the schools returning for many reasons (and I say that as a staff member) because like in every scenario, there’s pros and cons, and there are many issues alongside Covid we have to consider and deal with.

My personal speculation is the school guidance will change in the next 2 or 3 weeks. My thoughts?
They’ll change “bubble of 15 max” to “bubbles of around 15” to allow for the classes of 30+ everywhere.
They’ll remove the distances between desks rule, down to a meter or completely so that most classrooms can fit 15 odd in.
They’ll get all primary back before summer this way, albeit part time (half days or half weeks per bubble)

It also wouldn’t surprise me if they reinstate holiday clubs and play schemes, again it’s money and taxes and jobs. But still in bubbles of 15. Which could either be a thousand different options of clubs or hardly any spaces.

I’m interested about the summer holidays after what the Ofsted man (name forgotten) has said.

@DameLucy another one here who will require an hours warning for family! I’ve seen my 8 week niece only through the car window Sad

If shops can run how the supermarkets are, and form queues outside etc then this could be ok and a boost for our sinking economy, and could save so many peoples livelihoods. But this is the general public we are relying on. Who the politicians want to blame if we get round 2.

bigchris · 25/05/2020 21:12

But who will shop there if hardly any office workers are back

The teenagers who have no school to go to
Parents and primary sch kids who aren't back at school
Furloughed workers
Those of us who have been at work all along

1Pinkfluffyelephant · 25/05/2020 21:13

I just don’t understand how some shops can re open and some kids can begin to go back to school - mixing with other kids that you have no idea who they have been in contact with, yet my children can’t cuddle their grandparents who were know have been isolating for two months. It just doesn’t make sense.

daisychain01 · 25/05/2020 21:13

But you can’t go to the dentist

@Yellowbutterfly1 our dentist surgery have told us that they will open in the next couple of weeks, but for checkups only, and anything not involving actual fillings.

I have a routine appointment at the end of June, so it's good to know that if there is anything needed that it can be diagnosed during that visit, and they are hoping by Jul/Aug, they may be able to increase their treatments.

bigchris · 25/05/2020 21:13

no office workers nipping in for their morning/lunch coffee and meal deal, no quick lunch break browsing

Erm this is exactly what I'll be doing !

Echobelly · 25/05/2020 21:14

@FurForksSake I'm assuming no holiday camps - day or residential. Both residentials we were considering for daughter (one part paid, the other not yet booked) now cancelled.

DH and I both work from home, although DH's contract may only last until the end of June, so I assume we will carry on much as we are doing now. DD is old enough to see friends (at distance if necessary) and I'd keep up some learning with DS, who needs some extra support and catching up.

I expect there will be digital 'camps' but, understandably from what I've seen of half-term offerings, most will be only an hour or two a day.

MarshaBradyo · 25/05/2020 21:15

Pinkfluffy some people will get it as things reopen and it’s better not to risk your dc passing it on to their gps.

Everything can’t stay shut, the economy would tank. That is livelihoods and the reality of huge levels of unemployment not some abstract idea.

Pomegranatepompom · 25/05/2020 21:15

@bananaskinsnomnom bit we don’t know what the antibody result means. We don’t know if this will give protection for future contacts fir example. Some people had positive antibody results but are testing negative several weeks later.

Pomegranatepompom · 25/05/2020 21:17

You are protecting grandparents by not seeing them.

StatisticalSense · 25/05/2020 21:18

Realistically no shop is non-essential in the medium to long run, and it is getting to the point where many need access to shops that are not immediately essential. There is only so many times that people can wear the same clothes before they are worn out and not everyone has the benefit of being able to purchase in bulk meaning that some may well be getting to the point where they are running out. There is also the issue of children growing and adults losing or gaining weight and therefore needing clothes in other sizes to what they own and it would be neglectful of the government to prevent people from obtaining clothes that fit in the long run.
Realistically whilst it will be hard for parents to return to work before the usual levels of childcare return, other than for single parents with children aged 7-10 it should be possible to some extent by June 15th. Combined with it being the university holidays and exams being cancelled it should be possible for the shops to allow those who really cannot return to remain away from work and there should be enough flexibility to allow those who need to work around a partners working schedule to work evenings and weekends with the student employees covering more day shifts rather than their usual hours.
Unfortunately protecting the economy has to be placed above socialisation with family and friends, meaning that as each measure is likely to slightly increase the R value it is necessary to relax measures that benefit the economy before measures which don't.

cantkeepawayforever · 25/05/2020 21:19

They’ll get all primary back before summer this way, albeit part time (half days or half weeks per bubble)

The tricky thing about this is that there are already 2 groups who have been told they are allowed full time places:

  • Vulnerable and keyworker children
  • N, R, 1 and 6

Many schools can't accommodate even these children, but where they can, they are meant to be full time, not rota-ed and not part time.

Where I work, for example, these two groups take up every single classroom, and every single available teacher, in groups of 15 - and that is only if not all keyworkers send their children.

To give other year groups part time places, then the groups returning on June 1st have to have full time places taken away and replaced by part time only provision. I really don't think that is going to happen.

thisenglishlife · 25/05/2020 21:20

Not really - in fact the bigger risk taker was leg over Ferguson who thought letting his married lover come round for sex was a good idea.
How? Neither of them were sick.

bigchris · 25/05/2020 21:21

@thisenglishlife wrong thread Grin

lyralalala · 25/05/2020 21:26

It's time they got libraries open too even if they just open for computer use and to collect reservations. Have they redeployed library staff to contact tracing or are they furloughed?

My cousin's current home helps are a redeployed sport centre lifeguard and a redeployed library staff worker. His usual ladies are on a covid specific team.

StatisticalSense · 25/05/2020 21:27

@thisenglishlife
There is actually no evidence that Cummings actually came into contact with anyone whilst his household was symptomatic so in that respect he didn't actually put anyone at risk. Unfortunately people have understood the fact that he was in a isolated part of his families home to mean he was in close contact with other members of the family which as far as anyone can tell simply wasn't true. The issue I have with what he has done is to do with travelling to a second home and therefore potentially putting more strain on the NHS in a under resourced area.

happystone · 25/05/2020 21:31

Of cause you can see your family do want you think is best for your family hug everyone your the parent make your own mind up.just like don.

cologne4711 · 25/05/2020 21:33

What I would love is for medics to be sent out and just knock on everyone’s door and swab us all for testing. Then we can find who’s had it, who hasn’t, where the hotspots are....then we can get a bit of normality back. Our speed of testing has been ridiculous

So totally agree with this!

Sameold2020 · 25/05/2020 21:33

so only 7-10's with no care at all. Secondary age could conceivably be left

But as a pp says, even this is not full time. No wraparound, and 2 afternoons off each week at our school.

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