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Let's (Truth) Twist Again (3)

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SouthWestmom · 24/05/2020 20:54

Thread three for following the uproar at playing down the lock down and rewriting the rules.

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1forsorrow · 25/05/2020 08:33

Glad it wasn't just me, Lurch he is!

Yes you have to hand it to him he is a real master at not answering the question, makes the rest of them look like amateurs.

GrimmsFairytales · 25/05/2020 08:33

However, as the parent to an autistic child, I can assure you they like familiar people and routine. I'm not sure how family who live 260 miles and away and who aren't part of the child's daily life or routine are better served than anyone else?

Just catching up on the newest updates, and I had similar thoughts to you regarding the autism. Surely the house they stayed in would have very few if any of the child's personal items / toys. The surroundings would be totally unfamiliar, as would the family members, and add to that the already strange experience that was lock down and 2 parents who were apparently incapacitated with the virus. The poor child. Sad

Nquartz · 25/05/2020 08:33

Does anyone have the email address for the speaker, please? I think it was on the last thread or the Brexit one but I'm not sure.

I listened to @ListeningQuietly and have emailed my Tory MP twice, no reply as yet but I don't think she's ever replied to my emails. I did get a fancy letter once though.

Derbygerbil · 25/05/2020 08:37

MPs will be getting hundreds if not thousands of emails on this. Expecting a swift personalised response is completely unrealistic.

whatnametopick · 25/05/2020 08:39

I cannot believe they were strolling around Barnard Castle on apparently his wife's birthday when the daily death toll was averaging 1,000.

Laaf80 · 25/05/2020 08:39

I think BJ is finished to be honest. May take a while as who wants a leadership competition now, but there’s a catalogue of issues regarding his integrity even without Covid.

Tory’s have raised an eyebrow at his chaotic family life, blundering and whatnot but I think he has gone to far as this is personal.

He has cast his mast to DC who isn’t liked anyway and doesn’t even have the strength of ‘capabilities’ as back up.

He is constantly on the missing list, scandal ridden (Acuri, who paid for his holiday, Russia report).

I noted a while ago that the Times, Telegraph and DM started running negative headlines on him.

Remember how ‘the Saj’ resigned? Then the eugenics guy that DC had to let go? Humbug? Loved ones will die? Sacking the likes of Clarke? Rees Mogg having a snooze?
Tories stand for decency, tradition and family values.

It’s death by 1000 nails and fucking painful to watch. Would be amusing if it didn’t affect us all.

Starmer has come at the worst possible time for BJ.

People voted for BJ to get Brexit done and Corbyn. However his arse is showing big time and this is the final straw.

Laaf80 · 25/05/2020 08:47

Contact for the speaker

www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/offices/commons/speakers-office/

itsgettingweird · 25/05/2020 08:53

I've emailed Boris. I also added my MP into that. Will be very interested into hear how our PM and attorney general are going to refund all the fines to people who were also following their instincts about what was right for them. Grin

LivinLaVidaLoki · 25/05/2020 09:06

@1forsorrow
Have to say Gavin Williamson reminds me of Frank Spencer.

Gwynfluff · 25/05/2020 09:12

It doesn’t matter if the 71 year old witness was breaking the rules. Unless he’d also been responsible for heavily inputting into the strategic direction of the government in terms of the lockdown and coming up with the slogans.

1forsorrow · 25/05/2020 09:13

@LivinLaVidaLoki I can see that but at least Frank was good for a laugh. Not sure what Gavin is good for.

The80sweregreat · 25/05/2020 09:18

Frank Spencer! Yes , he does a bit.
People still defending Cummings on
The radio.

itsgettingweird · 25/05/2020 09:21

Here's what I sent the PM and attorney general

Dear Prime Minister Mr Johnson,

Thank you for coming out last night to face your country and the people who voted for you. That was the right thing to do.

Unfortunately this was the only correct thing you did.

You asked us all to stay home. You told us loved ones will die. You told us if we didn’t follow the rules we’d be fined.

We were told we MUST follow these rules to protect the NHS and save lives.

At no point were we told if we wanted to “follow our instincts” instead that was acceptable.

In fact we all stayed home despite what our instincts told us.

< here I explained my personal experience of covid and gave some personal details I do not wish to share publicly. But I did night,Ishtar how ringing 111 you kept getting cut off after 100 minutes and couldn't get through>

Why was I not informed by Suella - my MP and why didn’t you inform us all that we didn’t actually need to do this. We didn’t actually need to stay at home “in case we needed childcare”. Why were we given a different message? Why were we told “stay at home?”.

Why is the attorney general - responsible for the thousands who have received fines for following their instincts then come out and defended a government employee for breaking the same rules?

I am not a Tory voter. I am not a leave voter. But I voted for you. I voted because I believed you had the best interests of the country at heart and were going to bring us into a brighter future. I believed everything you told us. I trusted you. I defended you over mistakes during this pandemic - citing the fact it’s novel and you clearly couldn’t predict the future.

I no longer trust you. Your position is as untenable As Dominic Cummings if you don’t force his resignation or make the decision yourself - he has to go.

But back to predicting the future. Clearly Dominic Cummings can. He travelled knowing he would likely be incapacitated and need childcare. Despite the government telling us for most of us it’s a mild illness.

So which of the statements is true. He travelled within the rules where if parents are incapacitated and there’s extreme risk to life then mixing households is fine or he decided that he might get ill from a mild illness and that the stay at home message didn’t really mean that for him and his family?

And perhaps whilst your at it you can also explain how an incapacitated parent drives 260 miles - especially without risking the lives of their passengers and other road users.

This is unacceptable. You lead the country. You are responsible for the heath and well being of us all. You have clearly just demonstrated you have not one once of respect for any member of the British public - and seem to respect us less for following your stay at home rules during this pandemic.

Please respond.

The80sweregreat · 25/05/2020 09:25

I had a feeling that they would say that his poor child was autistic. I've no idea about his son but many on mumsnet have struggled on with special needs children because they obeyed the laws. I understand it's so hard for everyone but Mr Cummings had options available to him others haven't. This is why I'm so upset still.

itsgettingweird · 25/05/2020 09:31

Well if autism is the reason then we must ask ourselves this.

Why did it take a court hearing that another family started to get the rules re exercise more than once a day added (after the date Cummings took his action). Surely he would have been fully aware of this need from a personal perspective. And why didn't - when that clause was added - it include travelling to isolate elsewhere to get specific childcare as required.

Why does it still only apply to Cummings? Either the rules were "must stay at home" or they were "do what you think is right as that's integrity"

Lemons1571 · 25/05/2020 09:33

Does anyone have a template of wording to email to your MP? I want to email him but am not great at this kid of stuff!

YogaLite · 25/05/2020 09:36

Oh yes, lets lynch 71 year old for his honesty instead of arrogant Cummings for breaking the law.

And using a kid to get out of it is immoral, it's not about the kid, it's about them knowingly spreading the deadly virus across the country and breaking his own law.

tiredvommachine · 25/05/2020 09:39

@Roussette I have emailed my MP (again) using your template, which sums up exactly what I wanted to say and copied in the Speaker too for good measure. I've supplied my address and name, so can be checked that I am in the right area to be represented by that MP and also thrown in the fact I am a fee paying member of the Conservative party and considering withdrawing that support both financially and at the Polls. Let's see if that provokes a response. Absolute tossers 😒

GrimmsFairytales · 25/05/2020 09:40

Oh yes, lets lynch 71 year old for his honesty instead of arrogant Cummings for breaking the law.

The same people who i've seen criticising the 71 year old (who didn't do anything wrong), have also tried to claim the bullying of Cummings is the same as what happened to Caroline Flack.

Fucking disgusting. Angry

itsgettingweird · 25/05/2020 09:41

The 71 year old may not have been breaking lockdown. Daily exercise was allowed. He could walk locally. There was no message that you must stay home completely if clinically vulnerable group - just specific extra guidance and suggestions telling you the risk may be greater for you.

But if it turns out the 71 yo was also breaking lockdown then I don't think that makes what DC did any better.

And there is - for a start - no accusation from the government that the witness had covid at the time.

janet1267 · 25/05/2020 09:46

It's all a pack of lies. Allegedly DC raced home on the 27th as Mary had become ill. Within 24 hours he, according to Mary 'felt weird' and then 'day in, day out for 10 days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms...' So when did they travel to Durham or is what she wrote a bunch of old hokum?

They're playing us for fools.

The simple fact is that Cummings went to Durham because he wanted to. And because he could. He didn't care whether he infected anyone else.

Yet our PM says he broke no rules and acted with integrity.

It stinks.

tiredvommachine · 25/05/2020 09:50

@KenDodd those reviews Grin

itsgettingweird · 25/05/2020 09:52

Oh ken those trip advisor reviews are comedy gold!

Shame the actual situation isn't even close to funny Angry

B1rdbra1n · 25/05/2020 09:54

Rees-mogg having a snooze
It's in the same category as Cummings wearing a scruffy old t-shirt for a meeting with his boss during which he ought to be held to account.
They are sending the message that they do as they please and answer to no one.