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Antibody testing thread 2

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Egghead68 · 24/05/2020 20:22

Thread for people thinking about, doing, or awaiting results of COVID-19 antibody tests.

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Wunderweb · 16/06/2020 21:13

Thanks @egghead68 I’ve done it but it confused me at time as it didn’t have a specific box/option for antibody test.
I felt really grumpy when I got my results, I’m hoping it’s a TCell thing as was convinced i had it at the time.

Northernlass99 · 17/06/2020 14:51

I am quite near the wren healthcare drive through antibody test place. But they are using a finger prick test so not sure if it is even worth going.

Who are people getting to draw their blood for the blue horizon test?

Egghead68 · 22/06/2020 18:33

Reading on one of the Facebook pages that there is a theory the amount of antibodies needed for a positive test was set too high as it was based on in patients. I don’t know whether this is true.

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onlinelinda · 01/07/2020 16:16

Just popping this in

Coronavirus: Immunity may be more widespread than tests suggest www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53248660

Lindy2 · 01/07/2020 16:28

Onlinelinda I just read that article too. It's very interesting.

It suggests that for every positive antibody test there a 2 people who fought off coronavirus using T cells. These would still protect them against future illness but won't show on a standard antibody test.

Therefore some on here with negative results may well actually still have had coronavirus and hopefully have immunity.

Egghead68 · 01/07/2020 16:47

Just came on to post that too!! Potentially very good news.

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Egghead68 · 01/07/2020 17:00

I think this has been posted before but I will just take the opportunity to post it again. Blog from a GP with Covid on why people with Covid are getting negative antibody tests:

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Whatapickle78 · 01/07/2020 17:41

Yes his films are great - he’s not a GP though (I think?) but a filmmaker. Used to make horror films I think!

That BBC article is very interesting - thanks for sharing

Hormonecrazyhell · 01/07/2020 20:17

My ds just got positive for igg and igm, with no symptoms, has been shielded since lock down begun

Egghead68 · 01/07/2020 21:18

@hormonecrazyhell presumably he was exposed before lockdown. Are you in London? I think lockdown came far too late here. Although it might be odd for IgM to last so long...

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Hormonecrazyhell · 01/07/2020 21:28

No I’m up north, yes, infected pre lock down, my grocery shopping wasn’t Up to scratch or the test is wrong. The hunt for answers just leads to more questions with this virus

Egghead68 · 01/07/2020 22:18

Hmm...

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Char2015 · 01/07/2020 22:24

[quote onlinelinda]Just popping this in

Coronavirus: Immunity may be more widespread than tests suggest www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53248660[/quote]
So I wonder if we should now be relying on T Cell tests over the antibody tests. Seems like antibody tests are becoming less reliable to check for prior signs of infection and possible short/long term immunity.

Egghead68 · 01/07/2020 23:04

Unfortunately the article says:

T-cells are very complex and much harder to identify than antibodies, requiring specialist labs and small batches of samples being tested by hand over the course of days.
This means mass testing for T-cells is not a very likely prospect at the moment.

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onlinelinda · 01/07/2020 23:17

They won't test for T cells, I don't think. Expensive and complicated.

Menora · 06/07/2020 23:43

I am being tested this week (NHS)
Hardly anyone I know in the NHS has come back positive. 1 shielding woman who has been indoors since March was positive, and 2 people who tested positive in May. The only other one I know of yet is a GP whose DH works on a COVID ward but she was never ill

I am not holding my breath over it really

marmitelover13 · 07/07/2020 07:07

Thriva say they are about to start offering tests again.

Lolly12 · 07/07/2020 15:56

I’m not that convinced about the usefulness of antibody testing really, the results just seem so varied compared to people’s previous symptoms, and no one knows if and how they would provide future protection.

I work in an NHS Trust so was tested a few weeks ago, negative. I did have some symptoms in March that in hindsight could have been Covid. My colleague who I’ve shared a small office with during the whole time, including lockdown has had a positive antibody test (mild symptoms in March).

Colleagues including front line staff who were quite poorly and tested positive at the time have now had negative antibody tests and vice versa. Bizarre!

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Egghead68 · 07/07/2020 17:47

It’s behind a paywall so;
People who suffer mild Covid-19 symptoms may carry protective antibodies for only a matter of weeks, potentially complicating the search for a vaccine, a study suggests.

Researchers in Spain who screened nearly 70,000 people found that 14 per cent who were positive for antibodies in a first round of testing gave a negative result two months later. The apparent disappearance of antibodies was mostly seen in those who had very mild symptoms or who had been asymptomatic.

“Immunity can be incomplete, it can be transitory, it can last for just a short time and then disappear,” Raquel Yotti, director of Spain’s Carlos III Health Institute, which co-led the study, said. “We must keep protecting ourselves and protecting others.”
Other researchers said that the findings appeared to be in line with a tentative emerging consensus: that people who hardly notice that they have Covid-19 may not amass lasting antibodies, although other elements of the immune system may still protect them. “It fits the current picture,” Ian Jones, professor of virology at the University of Reading, said. “No symptoms suggests a mild infection, which never really gets the immune system going well enough to generate immunological ‘memory’.”

Professor Jones said that this raised two sets of concerns. “Anyone who tests positive by antibody test should not assume they are protected. They may be, but it is not clear,” he said.

Additionally, the vaccines undergoing trials will need to stimulate the immune system more vigorously than a mild real infection or they too could be short lived. “This is a nuisance as people may have to have regular boosters — and it might also provide material for the anti-vaccine lobby,” Professor Jones added.

The study also indicated that just 5.2 per cent of Spain’s population have developed antibodies against the disease, despite the country being one of the worst hit in Europe with roughly a quarter of a million recorded cases to date. A strict three-month lockdown from March 14 to June 21 helped reduce the rate of infections.

Health workers were twice as likely to have contracted coronavirus as the normal population. The report also found that over 30 per cent of those who had antibodies said that they had not felt ill despite being infected.

The report came as lockdowns were reimposed on more than 210,000 people in western Catalonia and 70,000 in the A Mariña region in Galicia due to some serious local outbreaks.
Professor Daniel Altmann, of the Department of Medicine at Imperial College London, said: “The Spanish study is sobering and confirms the picture from many other studies, both regional seroprevalence studies and longitudinal studies in recovered patients.

“The overall pool of antibody-positive people barely rises because as some gain immunity, others have lost theirs. It seems the nature of naturally induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is really quite a short-lived antibody response; the other key part of the immune response, T cells, may have memory that lasts several years but so far we lack the formal proof that they’re protective.”

Professor Altmann added: “The rather fragile, ephemeral immunity stimulated by natural infection is a specific feature of adaptations of the virus and its subversion of immunity. For example, interaction of the virus at first contact with host cells is meant to set off big alarm bells through the interferon system, but this is rather sub-optimal for SARS-CoV-2.

“Because this initial alarm is subdued, the subsequent immune response becomes somewhat altered. The job of good vaccine design is to bypass and overcome all these problems to stimulate a large, sustained, optimal, immune response in the way the virus failed to do.”

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Whatapickle78 · 07/07/2020 20:31

Yes, I really wouldn’t waste any more money (or blood) on these tests. Even the nurse taking my blood at the Doctors told me it wasn’t reliable after a few weeks. I’m hoping I’ve just had a good T Cell response, which in the future would kickstart again.

Egghead68 · 07/07/2020 21:57

Agreed.

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Menora · 08/07/2020 13:03

I would never have paid.
Will await the results now

Egghead68 · 09/07/2020 15:53

Review of evidence on antibody tests:

www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD013652/full

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Jrobhatch29 · 12/07/2020 10:07

Hi everyone. Is there a decent antibody test for home use?

I had the weirdest illness in early april when i was 35/36 weeks pregnant. Horrendous palpitations for 3 days that really scared me, then chest pain and a bad throat. I have never had palpitations in my life and my partner said at the time if it didn't ease he was going to take me to hospital. At the time I wondered if it was covid as with being pregnant I had been at the hospital etc. However nobody else in my house got ill so I just dismissed that it was covid and forgot about it. Since then though I regularly get bad throats and mild chest pain. When I went into labour in early May I had a very bad throat but tested negative. A few weeks ago I had a really bad throat again and chest pain so did a home test and it was negative. My throat is always niggly and when I am on my walks I notice my chest hurts.
Has anyone else had covid but nobody else in house been affected? My 4 year old was off school the 2 weeks before lock down with a very bad cough and temp but it was nearly a month later when I was ill.
Would love to know if it was covid.
Sorry for long post

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