Furlough madness

[Katykitten2]

Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this furlough scheme, whilst deserving of some merit, is far too generous? At 80% there is little to encourage people to return to work since this other 20% is accounted for by the savings in petrol, coffees and other work related daily expenditure.
This has all got to be paid for remember.

OP is an employer apparently.

OP is an employer apparently

Maybe it's not furlough stopping her employees going back, rather her attitude towards them then.

I saw another thread where OP said that thankfully she didn't have to work so not exactly sure what she does. Which is it OP? Are you an employer or unemployed? Surely you can't be both?

Katykitten2 if 50% of furloughed people keep their job over the next 3-6 months, that is 50% more people paying tax when the scheme ends.

That is also 50% less people facing possible long term unemployment or low income employment (= less tax) due to the recession we are currently facing. And believe me, if there are more people looking for the same jobs, employers will drive the wages even further down.
The furlough scheme does offer the country some financial stability for the future.

Brilliant.all three of us on furlough of 80% low paid jobs.I have worked incredibly hard12 hour days to hopefully get promoted this past April!!
Been in hospitality for 36 years dh worked 44 years.We can't work.I don't know if my place will reopen.
I have absolutely no choice as I can't work in my chosen career anywhere at the moment.
I don't know if DS will have his apprenticeship.
Yes we are making the most of it doing DIY but the uncertainty is a killer.

Nobody is going to 'starve' because when this furlough scheme eventually ends, as it must to preserve an semblance of an economy, those without work can claim universal credit. Whilst the scheme has it's merits it is also masking the reality which is that millions will be made redundant anyway.

And where do you think UC is going to come from? Might be a different department but it's all tax payers money.
So a better idea would have been to close permanently the business that can't be open, and make all those redundant? Then those with roles that can't be done at the moment, or need to be on hold because there isn't enough work, make them redundant too. Have them all apply for UC and statutory redundancy, wait for both because there's so many applications and waiting periods anyway. Then have all those people applying for the small amount of jobs that will be created as things start to get back to normal, businesses that had a team to start with that were already recruited and trained having to do all that again at the same time as trying to get back on track? And all that because people like you don't like the idea that people like me are sitting in the sun. Guess what sitting in the sun is free!
Get over yourself. It's not about you, or me or any individual, it's about trying to preserve some of what we had collectively as a society for when this shit storm has passed.

I didn't think there was usually a choice? Isn't furlough for people who can't go to work because those businesses aren't safe to open according to government guidelines? Surely when the government says it's safe to reopen those then the jobs are available again and so the furlough will be withdrawn?

I think OP probably runs her business from under a bridge.

I am a single parent of 2 DC. I claim univetsal credit and hace done since my seperation a year ago. I have always worked. Always. I am furloughed because the small, local business I work for is closed. Its a physical, minimum wage job that I ADORE but I cannot do it from home. In my contract, it states I cannot work on furlough. As soon as my work reopens, I will be going back full time as before.

What do you expect me to do OP? Starve? Lose my home?

Ignorant bollocks like this you are spouting from behind your keyboard is just another example of how social media spreads this kind of poison. Wind your neck in.

Life is too fucking short to be pissed about someone getting free money. Even if it encourages people not to go back then someone else will step in and take their place. When we all die money will have meant nothing

Okay... Didn't realize it would change my astrisks. "Free" cause it really isn't...

What's the point of paying millions of people to lie in the parks and beaches sunbathing shoulder to shoulder?

Get people back to work.

Yes SnoozyLou I am in complete agreement. Once employers have to contribute it will quickly end.

What a numpty you are! Do you seriously think people are choosing to be furloughed?

Thank you See99 and if those on furlough can't manage on 80% of their earnings then they will be in for a big shock on Universal Credit.

Furlough should be for those who can't work due to the employer (ie the businesses who were forced to close or who genuinely can't socially distance) - absolutely, it makes sense and is completely right - my daughter works in hospitality and is furloughed, her workplace was one of the businesses forced to close (she was actually doing a nightshift while it was announced) - the money she receives though is based on her contracted hours (24) not what she actually works

People who are shielding should come under something different - they aren't furloughed, they are medically suspended from work (whether the government wants to top up at the same level is up to them)

I have seen people on here suggesting people are furloughed due to childcare or being worried - that is a part I'm very wary of being open to abuse and I'm not sure it should be furlough

THe companies where they have furloughed 50% of the staff and those who are still in work are saying their work load has doubled - well thats just fraud on behalf of the company

OP you sound like you can't wait for furloughed staff to go on UC.

Aren't you just precious.

@katykitten2 they won't just be in for a shock though will they? They will lose their homes and be unable to feed their children but people like you would love that. You are an obnoxious human being.

Get people back to work.

Well reopen the fucking businesses then. Stop blaming employees who have no control.

Look on the bright side OP...if all those on furlough are made redundant then they will have no money to go out. You can revel in the knowledge that there will be millions of people sat at home being as miserable as you clearly are.

This thread took a wild turn. I can’t believe people would wish hardship on other people. Actually looking forward to people having to struggle on universal credit.

Good chance I’ll lose my house. Hope that sends you to sleep with a smile on your face.

@katykitten2 what is your employment position?

I've noticed that OP is ignoring questions about her own employment. I bet she doesn't work.

@waxonwaxoff0

She’s ignoring anything that doesn’t agree with her odious view on how the world should be.

Well reopen the fucking businesses then

That's what i'm saying. This situation of paying people to pack out the roads, parks and beaches to sunbathe is a fucking joke. Letting people travel anywhere they want during a pandemic when most businesses are shut. What's the point?

Either lockdown properly or open businesses back up.

If ever we needed a month of good old British rain.