Some people want the death rate to go back up

[Rosebel]

Well looks like lockdown has ended. Went to the doctors today and saw 3 groups of teenagers together at least 5 per group and obviously no social distancing. Two men chatting over a gate, again no distance and next door having their grandchildren over.
It's exactly what I knew would happen. Measures relax slightly and people take the piss. I know people will say it's none of my business but actually it is.
First it's everyone's business because this is the reason we can't control the virus.
Secondly I had to go to the doctors for my health but at the same time deal with idiots who just don't care about putting others at risk.
If this is happening everywhere as I suspect don't worry about shops reopening or children going back to school as the death rate will shoot up again and we'll be back in lockdown.
Would love to know why people are so selfish, stupid and want to stay in lockdown forever?

Nothing has changed in my town. Walked to the supermarket, everybody was still very careful to keep as far away from others as they could.
Supermarket was still only letting a few in at a time. Was the quietest I've ever seen it- just three people in queue.
Those people who are not socially distancing etc probably haven't been doing it all along.

They want to get the second wave out the way before Autumn/winter or the NHS really will be screwed.

It's herd immunity by stealth.
And of course, the police are absolutely useless as well.

I'm staying home as before. I'm not being Johnson's and Cummings lab experiment.

@BritWifeinUSA

Apologies, I think it’s 1000 cases a day in Houston.

@HelloToMyKitty

Well that delay is because people forget about the incubation period, and how slowly the disease unfolds in general. 1-2 weeks before people show symptoms, 10 days before they get ill enough to need hospitalisation, an average of 3 weeks in hospital before they die...

Rhodri surely that's where effective tracking needs to come in

Nothing has changed here in London. Please stop with the curtain twitching and the judgemental stuff.

I realise that you have anxiety but compliance is still really high. The government have said that infections now are mainly in hospitals and care homes, not out in the community.

But the Hospitals weren’t flooded were they?

Some were, absolutely. Remember the oxygen problem at Watford? And the hospitals only had capacity because they turned all their ICU, HDU and theatre recovery capacity over to treating Covid19 patients. Not to mention the fact that people were kept in the community and care homes when ordinarily they would have been treated in hospitals if they had been that sick.

We never had a proper lockdown anyway. Teenagers have been in groups throughout.
A lockdown would have meant permits to leave home, children stuck indoors throughout, walking your dog only 100 metres from your house........like they had in Italy/Spain.

@DippyAvocado
I agree

Well that delay is because people forget about the incubation period, and how slowly the disease unfolds in general. 1-2 weeks before people show symptoms, 10 days before they get ill enough to need hospitalisation, an average of 3 weeks in hospital before they die

This is what they said about Georgia. Just wait two weeks, they said.

Guess what?

It. Didn’t. Happen.

So, excuse my skepticism here. Texas opened exactly two weeks ago, but hospitalizations have not increased as you said would happen.

@HelloToMyKitty

You sound like the people who said ‘it’s fine, we only have a handful of cases in the UK’ back in February. Or ‘we only have few deaths in the UK’ in early March.

Are you saying Texas is immune? Or maybe you don’t understand how exponential growth works?

Texas has a population of around 39 million, so a little under half the population of the UK. Even 1500 cases a day puts TX on a par with a UK when you adjust the figures for population size. And that’s with restaurants, etc open. So how much good is social distancing, shutting down the economy really doing if places that are open have a similar number of cases?

The difference is the trajectory... In Texas cases seem to be increasing from a low base (it was never a hotspot) whereas in the UK cases are decreasing. However, it’s too early draw any firm conclusions. If Texas can open up more and prevent an exponential surge in cases then that would be great - we can see from Sweden that you don’t need a lockdown to prevent a country from getting swamped with cases, but that only works if people are sensible and practice social distancing and good hygiene in their daily business.

Look, it’s not my fault that your doomsday predictions for some US States haven’t come true. You said wait two weeks, well it’s been two weeks since Texas opened up (and Georgia and Florida opened even earlier iirc) and hospitalizations have not increased.

Maybe people in Texas can make their own risk assessments and live accordingly? Maybe the risk factors present in the UK and NYC aren’t present in Texas (much easier to social distance when you don’t live cheek to jowl).

I can’t speak for the UK and why it exploded. But data is noisy and you can’t just bleat ‘wait two weeks’ and ignore when the data isn’t going according to your predictions.

I would follow Nate Silver of 538 on Twitter for an unbiased look at the numbers.

I live in the South West and I pointed out on here a month ago that we'd had very few cases. I was absolutely pounced on saying I didn't understand how anything worked, it's people like me who spread the virus (!), just wait 4 weeks etc etc

It never happened.

I went to the garden centre yesterday overjoyed that it was open.
It was crammed.
Nobody except me was wearing a mask.
People were wandering about not following the arrows, bumping into other people, not keeping their distance at the till or anywhere else.
I was so disgusted I went home without any plants. People are bloody stupid, we're still at high risk.

@HelloToMyKitty

I didn’t say wait two weeks for hospitalization. Up to two weeks for someone to develop symptoms, tens days from them to require hospital (if they get sick enough). And for the people they infect, up to two weeks for THEM to show symptoms, and on the chain goes.

I’m not talking a timescale of weeks. Why don’t you come back in 2 months and let’s see where Texas is?

Well seems like opinion is divuded. The bottom line is people aren't supposed to be going out in groups unless they live together. Compliance was pretty high where I live until Sunday.
I don't want to end up dead or seriously ill or for that to happen to my family. It's ok to say don't go near groups of people but I don't know where their parents work. Group of 5 teenagers pass the disease to each other, then go home and give it to their parents, parents go to work and give it to their colleagues before anyone realised they are ill, x by 5.
It's not just as simple as keeping away from the group. That's why it's spreading and killing people.

Op has it occurred to that these people weren't taking it seriously before? But they just feel they can be more public about it?

I was so disgusted I went home without any plants. People are bloody stupid, we're still at high risk.

So why did you go in when you saw it was busy, surely the car park would have been busy enough too tell? Why was it ok for you to go there (and why on earth did you not think that it would be busy on the first day of opening) but everyone else is stupid?

@ITonyah

Maybe that’s because we’ve been in relative lockdown for the last month?

People are stupid & this government are corrupt & completely uncaring. Please don't vote conservative again "sigh".

@madcatladyforever that wasn't hard to predict. I took yesterday afternoon off work. Dp wanted to go, I pointed out it would be busy. SD very difficult or very long queues. We decided not to go.

And when you got there you could have left.

If everyone who wasnt comfortable had left, there would be less people in there.

We are not changing how we have lived since lock down. Yet my 12 year old came to me last night saying he had heard lockdown is over. No son, its not over we are just allowed out more if we need to and more business' are allowed to re open. We should still stay home as much as we can and not mix with others not of our household.

It wasn't that unclear a message.

I am having great trouble with my v elderly mum who thinks it is DISGRACEFUL everyone is being locked up and "If it's their time, it's their time" and why should she not see her family and go over for lunch or out to a cafe ... "They'll die anyway" "This country is turning into a fascist state" "Most of them have got something wrong with them and would die anyway" ... "I dont care, this is not what you think, the Gov is up to something" "They are trying to stop the ordinary people being educated" and so much more ... ...

The risk of death is low, but that's not the only risk here.
There's the much higher risk of respiratory problems, post-viral fatigue, and developing chronic kidney problems.
Those who want the country to "get it over with" might want to consider the strain on the NHS of treating a population rife with the chronic conditions COVID leaves in its wake (and that's just the ones identified so far).
The number of afflicted survivors would be far more than the 1% who die, and is currently unquantifiable.

Teenagers are immune to cv and to prosecution by the police in.wales. which is why they are playing football in the park And drinking on benches on the cycle path at tea time.