Millions of children could die! Where is the outrage?!

[Mumlove5]

These lockdowns will kill more people than coronavirus, which is mild for the majority of people. Mass hysteria has taken over logic and common sense. Poor and broken economies always lead to poor health both physically and mentally, and death.

People need to stop being so shortsighted and wake-up...

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/may/06/millions-develop-tuberculosis-tb-covid-19-lockdown

The head of a global partnership to end tuberculosis (TB) said she is “sickened” by research that revealed millions more people are expected to contract the disease as a result of Covid-19 restrictions.

Up to 6.3 million more people are predicted to develop TB between now and 2025 and 1.4 million more people are expected to die as cases go undiagnosed and untreated during lockdown. This will set back global efforts to end TB by five to eight years.

“The fear we have in the community is that researchers are heading towards just developing a vaccine for Covid. That’s on the agenda of everyone now and very few remain focused on the others [diseases]. We don’t have a vaccine for TB, we don’t have a vaccine for HIV, we don’t have a vaccine for malaria and out of all this, TB is the oldest. So why this reaction? I think because we are a world of idiots. What can I say?”

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/unicef-warns-lockdown-could-kill-covid-19-model-predicts-12/

Unicef warns lockdown could kill more than Covid-19 as model predicts 1.2 million child deaths
'Indiscriminate lockdowns' are an ineffective way to control Covid and could contribute to a 45 per cent rise in child mortality

The risk of children dying from malaria, pneumonia or diarrhoea in developing countries is spiralling due to the pandemic and “far outweighs any threat presented by the coronavirus”, Unicef has warned.

In an exclusive interview Dr Stefan Peterson, chief of health at Unicef, cautioned that the blanket lockdowns imposed in many low and middle income are not an effective way to control Covid-19 and could have deadly repercussions.

“I’m concerned that lockdown measures have been copied between countries for lack of knowing what to do, rarely with any contextualisation for the local situation,” he said.

According to a stark report published in Lancet Global Health journal on Wednesday, almost 1.2 million children could die in the next six months due to the disruption to health services and food supplies caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

The linked Telegraph article is about what's happening in poorer or middle-income countries. It's not about the effects of lockdown in places like the UK or Germany, which are in a completely different situation.

There may well be arguments for not imposing lockdown in developing countries. They're not the same as the arguments over here (for one thing, we have a much older population than, say, India or Nigeria).

Work has been done for years to develop a malaria vaccine. It's been incredibly hard. There is a vaccine but it's only partially effective.

Work to develop a coronavirus vaccine has been going on for many years now, because coronavirus isn't new, just this particular variant - that's why the Oxford Uni team has such a head start.

@Sarahlou63

TB is global. It kills 1.5 million people worldwide pa. Far more, it is true, than Covid is likely to do.

The efforts to eradicate it are and have to be global.

' There isn't a TB vaccine for adults. Children, yes'

Ive has the tb vaccine as on adult I'm a dental nurse you have to have the vaccine along with hep b.

Millions of people die from the easiest preventable " disease " .its called
starvation .....
Ironically it appears that a large % of the UK population think they are struggling because McDonald's shut down

@RoyalCorgi

Lockdowns WILL have devastating effects on 1st world countries as well.

This from today:

A long, drawn-out economic recovery will lead to a “significant number” of indirect deaths from coronavirus, the UK’s chief statistician has warned.
Amid fears that the UK economy could take five years to return to pre-crisis levels under a worst-case scenario, Sir Ian Diamond said the effects of the pandemic would be far-reaching as people are “pushed into poverty”.
With the Chancellor Rishi Sunak suggesting that the UK is already in the middle of a recession, Sir Ian said that an “L-shaped” recovery - where the economy takes several years to return to pre-crisis levels - would lead to a notable increase in mortality.
While significant attention has been paid to the direct death toll caused by Covid-19, Sir Ian added that the “really important statistic” was excess deaths, which now stands at over 47,000, according to figures released by the Office for National Statistics.
The Government’s key scientific and medical advisers believe that excess deaths - the additional number of people dying compared to a five-year average - is the most reliable measure for assessing the impact of the coronavirus on the UK.
Sir Ian also indicated that the full picture could take several years to emerge due to deaths further down the line from cancelled cancer screenings or a prolonged recession.
It comes after ONS figures released separately on Wednesday have revealed that the UK economy contracted at the fastest pace on record in March, with the UK now facing the worst recession in 300 years.

to the Commons public administration committee, Sir Ian said the ONS would be producing research looking at four different categories of death, including the impact of an economic downturn.
These include direct fatalities, indirect deaths caused by the NHS prioritising resources, and longer term deaths related to fewer people being screened for diseases such as cancer.
On the economy, he added: “If - and I stress, if - we end up with an L-shaped recession as opposed to a V-shape where we come back out quite quickly, an L-shape over a long period of time could lead to a significant number of deaths as a result of people being pushed into poverty or into long-term unemployment.
“We know that people in the lowest-deciles of income have higher mortality rates in this country and if you increase that you are likely to see an increase in deaths.”

Tbh we shouldn’t be focusing on helping other countries right now, we’re in the middle of a pandemic. The focus should quite rightly be on our own country only.

If countries hadn’t locked down then the annual number of deaths could be as high as TB? We haven’t got a years worth of data yet.

I’m not sure what your point is OP? Are you saying that more people will die from TB and HIV because countries locked down to reduce Covid19 deaths? HIV is very treatable now, There are a selection of drugs to treat TB. None for Covid

People do realise MILLIONS of children die from entirely preventable infectious diseases every year don’t they?

And from starvation.

And from slavery, producing cheap goods for us first-worlders

I think it says something about the atmosphere on MN atm that, on reading the title, I assumed this thread was going to be about opening schools.

The article you’re referring to cites particular countries as unlikely to benefit from lockdown, countries where for example TB is still a massive health issue, and for some of those countries it’s been suggested another strategy would be less damaging; so those making direct comparisons to the UK are a bit off track here. As for outrage, I am outraged that some posters have only just noticed, some because they are erroneously attributing the issues in the article to the UK, that millions of children and adults have been dying in other countries from preventable diseases for years with few people here being bothered, preferring to update their kitchens or buy fast fashion than contribute to funds that might alleviate suffering elsewhere. The lust to blame migrants during the Brexit campaign is another prime example of that ‘me first’ thinking. Not to mention those who have been dying from famine and disease in Yemen, or the UK’s involvement in deaths because of its arms dealing.

You could also wonder where the outrage was during the simplistic celebration of VE day for the millions of people who starved to death in Bengal during that war in no small part due to Churchill’s policies. This is another, rather distasteful excuse for an anti UK lockdown thread disguised as concern for others. If people want to help the millions of children at risk in the countries listed in the article, how about contributing to clean water initiatives, campaigning against UK arms trading and so on…As some of us have been doing for some time now.

I think the OP is correct in that lockdown will result in far more deaths from non-covid than we have seen so far from Covid.

The economic downturn will have far-reaching effects for many decades. Everyone will be poorer. Poverty results in earlier death. Death data show that the poorer someone is, the lower their life expectancy. This has always been so. Due to the lockdowns, there will now be millions more people in poverty all over the world.

Western lockdowns have increased the risk of deaths from other diseases in developing countries. Developing countries should not lockdown due to low risk from Covid-19. It is ludicrous that they’re locking down. This is caused by a “copy and paste” method from countries that have locked down.

However, there will be more deaths in western nations as well due to missed cancer diagnosis’s, delayed healthcare, canceled surgeries, people not going to the hospital for other illnesses, unemployment and poverty.

@Sparklingplasters

www.spectator.co.uk/article/ten-reasons-to-end-the-lockdown-now

1. We don’t know if lockdown is working

You may be forgiven for thinking that we do. But the fact is that direct evidence for the effectiveness of lockdown in this situation is minimal, and the approach is mainly based on modelling. Many counties with very different approaches to lockdown seem to have similar curves, in so far as their different testing and recording of the virus allows meaningful comparison. Are the curves a result of our actions or are they just a manifestation of the way this virus is coming into equilibrium with its new human hosts? The curves on ships affected by the virus seem similar to the population curves too. It’s easy to make plausible-sounding arguments that what we are doing 'must' be slowing the spread. But Sweden’s model of voluntary social distancing seems equally effective, but with much lower costs.

We don't have an identical world where we can let COVID-19 run amok and see what the difference is. We have no control group, so the mathematical modelling is all we have.

No lockdown would still have meant the NHS had to prioritise because there would be more COVID cases to treat - and they would not have wanted cancer patients catching it. Lockdown didn't cause that.

The economy would have suffered anyway due to large scale sickness absence. We can't know how much because - as said - we have no control group.

Also, quite a lot of what we know now, we didn't know a month or two ago, so looking back and shouting 'we over reacted' isn't helpful or fruitful.

Yes - the issues in the developing world are important and devastating, but I'm not so much seeing the link. If it is detrimental to them having a lockdown, then their Governments and the WHO should have been advising a different strategy.

Next you’ll be saying it’s 5G masts fault.
Or that we should all be following herd immunity.
Give us peace.

People need to stay inside or they’ll be staying in a wooden box six feet under!
I don’t really care what other countries to, I care particularly about Scotland and our actions to stem this hellish disease.

@digletgid

Oh god, people are still using that ridiculous statement!

This is lives vs lives.

You’re blinded if you think lockdowns will not lead to millions of direct deaths. I have every right to be outraged over the idiocy of these measures.

Not only that, mental health is also on decline. The US is predicting 75k thousand deaths from suicide!
www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/health/coronavirus-deaths-of-despair/index.html

@80sMum Thank you :)

@OnlyJudyCanJudgeMe Ok, that’s ridiculous

I think that the rapidly emerging understanding of the science behind Covid19 is exciting. As with HIV, its looks as if we are going to learn a lot about immune systems very quickly. Which will be of much wider benefit.

You’re blinded if you think lockdowns will not lead to millions of direct deaths. I have every right to be outraged over the idiocy of these measures.

Can someone explain how NOT going into Lockdown in the UK will save millions of people? I don't mean a statistical link, but a causal one.

Well I didn't need the TB vaccine when I was at school but when they tested me again as a nursing student at 30 I needed it and was given it then

How is it ridiculous?

Anything with “outrage” in the title automatically goes to the bottom of the pile of my outrage heap. As mentioned, distasteful concern trolling.

This is another, rather distasteful excuse for an anti UK lockdown thread disguised as concern for others.

This.

Errr well yes. Children are literally starving to death right now. What are you suggesting we do? Threaten to blow up developing countries in lockdown if they don’t lift their lockdowns immediately?

Crimes, it's a bit pot calling the kettle black isn't it OP?

How about a moderate approach to things? Why does everything seem to be either ''lockdown forever!'' Or ''open up, I'll take my chances''.

@somenerve

Wrong, lockdowns are causing devastating effects on the majority of the population. I’ve posted links above.

@Jaxhog I’ve posted above. Flawed modeling predicting hundreds of thousands of deaths if we hadn’t locked down has been debunked. It’s not in the mainstream media of course. At least not yet.