Govt furlough extended til October

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Thank goodness.

People do realise that the furloughed are still paying taxes and NI as they were before. They are certainly not scroungers and the majority wouldn't have had any say in whether they were furloughed. Would you like them to sit at home miserable in some kind of solidarity with their colleagues. Everyone is trying to make the best out of a really shitty situation. The anger on here is being completely misdirected, be angry at your employers not your colleagues, they didn't choose this.

If you're furloughed because you're in the shielding group, then taking a second job or looking for a different job in case of future redundancy isn't really a very valid option right now.

The money also comes from the tax that a furloughed person has paid into the system and is continuing to pay while furloughed.

In a small number of cases. Large swathes of people aren't net contributors. Amazed at how few people seem to understand this.

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Yes this is depressing. WTAFIGO. I literally see my colleagues and residents testing positive for Covid daily and neighbours are playing badminton and clinking glasses. It fucks me off!

‘They also serve who only stand and wait.’ -Milton.

Just saying.

Only the super rich will have money to spend. And how will leisure open with social distancing? It will be super expensive for super rich.*
Oh so your telling me you never ever go to the pub or for a meal hmmmm .
Well maybe you don't but a lot do and they won't be able to open again if they can't furloughed some of their staff .

DS was furloughed the first month, now been told he has been laid off p45 in the post zero hour contract. His company brewery with pubs/restaurants are looking ahead and know that customers will be thin on the ground for some time to come. So I guess he knows sooner rather than later.

My husband was furloughed at the start, he works for a massive national company that has furloughed hundreds of staff.
My husband has plenty of work to do and could easily do it from home. I think his employers are taking the piss and will continue to keep people furloughed while the government are paying it.
In my mind the furlough scheme was intended for people who could not go to work and could not do their job from home, to save those businesses.
There is actually resentment building from me towards my husband Over this. He’s living the dream right now, at home binge watching Netflix while I go to work. He doesn’t have a care in the world.
I’m really hoping that now his employer might have to top up the money they might let him start work again or even make him redundant to force him off his arse and look for work elsewhere

feline flutter indeed, I see them queing on mass now at garden centers in the middle of the afternoon 🤦🏻‍♀️

It's ridiculous. They should have had UC amounts and housing costs covered not 80% of their wages.

Food and a roof. That's all anyone needs apparently according to most of MN.

IF the economy starts to pick up, its only right employers pay a contribution toward salaries, they have had a wages holiday for 4 months after all

This is how stupid and anti business people are on MN

Businesses haven’t had a a bloody wage holiday. They’ve been closed down. I don’t why people on furlough are not shitting them self’s worrying about their jobs. It’s basic maths. No cash inflow = no profits = no employees - you don’t be needed.

You can’t close down a business and expect it will be still there when this is all over.

There are many many costs to running a business - employees wages are just a fraction of them. All the other costs will need to be fulfilled, even if the business is able to get a extension on paying those bills/costs they will have to pay it back. They will already be in debt.

Just like the mortgage extension - it’s not a holiday. You will have to pay it back and if you don’t - you will lose your home.

Business owners can not contribute if there is zero cash flow. Even if there was a limited cash flow ( if some business were allowed to open on restricted measures) all costs would have to be met before employee wages/contribution so the business doesn’t go in to liquidation.

If your allowed to open a restaurant but can only fill it to 40% capacity due to social distancing - it will not be able to make enough money to stay viable. Same goes to other business.

Thousands of redundancies will come of this. So many homes lost. And all this will happen right before Xmas.

But these crazies are ok because they expect other people to just keep coughing up the cash whilst they hide at home.

The only cash they will be getting is from UC.

People do realise that the furloughed are still paying taxes and NI as they were before.

But that's just giving with one hand to take with the other (with added admin costs on the way). It all comes from the public purse.

I support furlough but think it's right that employers have to start supporting too, to ensure that it's a true furlough and not a deeply unfair situation where one group of unemployed people, those made redundant pre-furlough or the previously self-employed, have to survive on UC while other people, whose jobs are unfortunately equally redundant, get enhanced furlough, continued NI contributions etc until October.

In a small number of cases. Large swathes of people aren't net contributors. Amazed at how few people seem to understand this.*
Please share this information then , I can assure you that me and my colleagues are paying tax , insurance and pension so are millions of others .

I’m very relieved, with the industry I’m in it looks like I’ll be back in 4 weeks but DH is travel industry so god knows when he will be back to normal. I also like Rishi, he appears to have a lot of compassion

I'm not sure I'd be as optimistic as people seem about the 80% "promise"

What Rishi Sunak's Twitter says is:

Further detail will follow by the end of May but I want to assure people one thing won’t change:

Workers will, through the combined efforts of government and employers, continue to receive the same level of support as they do now, at 80% of their salary, up to £2,500

But it doesn't say - if you go back part-time for your employer you'll still be considered "furloughed". It doesn't say how much employers will be expected to contribute to topping up any furlough they can claim. It doesn't cover much at all, honestly. The devil is in the detail and I do not expect the detail to be that reassuring...

I have to say I've been starting to feel genuinely angry when I see whole families out for a lovely sunny bike ride when I'm driving my child to school, to go and work my arse off, whilst criticised for not "staying home" no furlough for me, no respite.

If this goes on much longer, people are going to get the rage. The furloughed need to be doing some sort of work, rather than having one long sunny 80% holiday I'll be paying eyewatering taxes on for the next 50 years.

I get that they may have reduced job security, but it's turning into a giant piss take.

I think threads like this highlight the way society has gone, it's so sad.
People getting ranty over what other people have or have not got.
If you have a job you are likely to keep what does it matter what others are doing.
There's nothing any of us can do about it, and life isn't fair, it never has been.
Expecting us all to be the same and life to be fair is the most entitled behaviour I've ever heard.

In a small number of cases. Large swathes of people aren't net contributors. Amazed at how few people seem to understand this

Because people like to shout ‘I pay taxes!! When they actually don’t.

If this goes on much longer, people are going to get the rage. The furloughed need to be doing some sort of work, rather than having one long sunny 80% holiday I'll be paying eyewatering taxes on for the next 50 years

But that's not the plan. Why are just reading what they want to believe for maximum froth?

Anyone on furloughed should at least be looking and applying for any job they can in the hope they find something, as they have a real danger of being unemployed shortly anyway. They’d be a fool not to be at least looking
And do what so if your a trained chef or a waitress or work in a brewery for example where do you work ?
The furloughed scheme is there that so eventually when the government does open pubs etc they can go back to their current job . So you think I should get a job where I have no experience in for a couple of months and then go back to my job just because it annoys you that I'm sat at home .
Get a fucking grip people !!!

Workers will, through the combined efforts of government and employers, continue to receive the same level of support as they do now, at 80% of their salary, up to £2,500

No they won’t if they business can’t stay open! The government need to start being honest about how bad the economy is now. It’s giving false security to people.

This us vs them saddens me greatly. You know most of us didn't choose to be furloughed? I would very much like to go back to work but at a non essential retail worker my shop is closed, I have no choice. People shouldn't be doing twice as much work, if there's that much work to do your employers need to unfurlough some staff.

The furloughed need to be doing some sort of work

Yes, because there's so much of that available at the moment. Child care is abundantly available too, don't you know.

I’m on furlough, hate being at home, didn’t want to be furloughed at all. If I could earn money whilst providing childcare in school and learn to teach at the same time (on the job training) it would help plug the gap that they won’t have enough teachers and also mean not being paid for nothing. Wouldn’t suit everyone but I think there’s a lot would take this opportunity if offered.

*think threads like this highlight the way society has gone, it's so sad.
People getting ranty over what other people have or have not got.
If you have a job you are likely to keep what does it matter what others are doing.
There's nothing any of us can do about it, and life isn't fair, it never has been.
Expecting us all to be the same and life to be fair is the most entitled behaviour I've ever *

Probably the biggest load of crap written, since, Boris's first Herd Immunity speech!

And do what so if your a trained chef or a waitress or work in a brewery for example where do you work?

Those jobs are at most risk!