Govt furlough extended til October

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Thank goodness.

@Nana I have noticed this a lot. We understand that some people are forced to work and others put on furlough. But that is not the fault of furloughed workers. Most are furloughed because they would have been made redundant (as work has dried up) It does not cost anything to be compassionate to others. Unfortunately, the crisis has bought the worse in some people (people on benefits scroungers, furlough scroungers etc...) you can never win.

1. It’s not my fault I can’t work
2. It’s not my employer’s fault we are closed

In that case it's probably not folk such as yourself that so many posts are about - even if we feel that certain places shouldn't have been told not to work, it's hardly your fault if you were

What a lot of us are posting about is abuse of the system, and the further abuse which this too-long extension's likely to encourage

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus

As I said up thread though furlough is £8 billion a month so until October £48 billion. It really is a drop in the ocean compared to th £500 Billion in 2008 bank bail out.

Well said!! Puts it all in prospective !! £48 billion compared to £500 Billion.

It will cost money but it will save livelihoods and some small businesses, so no complaints from me.

I work in sales - there is absolutely nothing going on - no one is buying what we sell.

Therefore we cannot work - we do have out of about 70 staff 5 working with some orders but these are really slim pickings. It's such a shame as we were all doing really well before the lockdown.

We hope as some of our main clients (manufacturing , aerospace etc) come back we might come off furlough but it will be part time I think there will be redundancies. We are also all on 80% of our basics no bonus/commission.

@mintypylonsfryingsurplus

Some of the upper hierarchy must be working remotely as who is responsible for merchandising, IT, logistics, buying, HR, Finance, etc?

It’s perfectly understandable for people who are continuing to work (many in more difficult circumstances) to feel they’ve got the short straw in this instance. It doesn’t mean you don’t have sympathy for people who are furloughed who are worried about job security. For many people it would be much easier not to work atm - especially those with school age children.

All the ‘but how would i pay my bills’ etc people you do realise that the disabled and unemployed have had this dilemma for years in a massively underfunded system that give claimants pennies.

I can’t work because I have 2 disabled children. I get £66 a week as a full time carer. If I can’t pay my bills etc it’s tough. Personally I think it’s great the government is being so generous with furlough (mostly because it protects the economy) but the double standards suck when disabled people have been fighting for scraps for years and been told the money isn’t there to help them.

@foggybits yes there would be but there are still some furloughs double dipping with company money for retention.
But I absolutely believe that if you are operational and profitting all staff come off furlough to free up money for businesses genuinly unable/ not permitted to trade or operate.
Its not as though this money for this organisation is used for Sick/ maternity pay either. Its a way to reduce costs/losses due to a temporary closure.
I have nothing against high earners at all fair play and they have outgoings but an operating company should pay the costs not the government.
They could take a pay cut I suppose...

What a lot of us are posting about is abuse of the system, and the further abuse which this too-long extension's likely to encourage

But it's not the fault of those who have been furloughed, so why are they the subject of so much bile?

If the system is being abused that's firstly the government's fault for designing it that way, and secondly the employers' fault for abusing whatever loopholes exist.

It's not the fault of those who have been told their jobs are not available for them.

@Nanalisa60 That really is a vile way to speak, you should be ashamed of yourself. You can make the most valid points and you’re immediately rendering yourself impossible to respect or take seriously when you write so disgustingly.

I'm sure there are but I just found odd that all of HQ could be furloughed.

I agree companies should put more away when times are good for the bad times but unfortunately a lot of businesses aren't run like that anymore.

Everyone needs to be a lot nicer to each other.

I actually think the govt is trying to do the right thing as if it wasn't furlough everyone would be redundant and claiming UC plus other benefits which also costs.

Anger should be redirected and not just at big business as it's more nuanced than that:

• businesses that aren't viable and so shouldn't be propped up; I'm talking turnover/profit and cash position
• investment community. Big businesses wouldn't necessarily be hoarding cash (if they have it) and trying to reduce costs if they weren't also trying to appease investors and save their share price. Shorting of stocks should be illegal

These are the areas people should be animated about. Let's not turn on each other.

Some awful human beings on this thread and a massive lack of empathy

Absolutely. People are dying and still they can find the energy to be obnoxious and bitter.

@SeperatedSwans the entire hospitality industry is closed. Millions of nmw workers. Ditto non-essential retail. Most are in furlough but many have been made redundant. Would you prefer they were all made redundant rather than furloughed?

It's a job retention scheme. It's there to save as many jobs as possible so that when this is over the economy can bounce back as much and as quickly as it can. Similarly give everyone the most basic UC-like income and nobody will spend anything because they'll have nothing to spend. It's a calculated way to keep things ticking over.

And why should those on furlough stay in the house? Don't be so ridiculous. Nobody else has to.

I think you need to step away from this thread and calm down a bit. You're coming across as nasty and unpleasant and nobody needs that right now.

If the system is being abused that's firstly the government's fault for designing it that way, and secondly the employers' fault for abusing whatever loopholes exist

I totally agree, but then I would - after all I'm not one of those blaming most employees for decisions they didn't make

Except, that is, for the minority who cry "me too" with no justification, and those who demand "at least 3 extra months of paid maternity leave" because they missed out on a few baby groups

Rainycloudyday

I take it your not from Glasgow, it’s a term of endearment in some parts!

The VILE people are those on this thread that are just so upset that people on minimal wage in the hospitality industry, leisure industry and in none essential retail, are getting 80% of there very Bad paid hourly rate.

So really I don’t give a fiddler’s Fuck what you think!!

Yes I slightly envious of those on furlough as I'm WFH. But I'm very glad the scheme is there and also jm glad to be able to WFH as hopefully it means I'm a little more secure. By all means seek out abuse in the system but let's recognise that this scheme is keeping families afloat, this is society in action... and I'm not a Tory!
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Yet furloughed people most likely envy wfh people who have full pay and most likely, more chance of keeping their jobs
Exactly a couple of my colleagues are wfh I wasn't given the option , they didn't need everyone just a small percentage.
I could sit and worry that I'll be first out ( and I do ) but I can't think like that .
I can't sit here and be bitter of my wfh colleagues it's just business. I'm grateful that somebody is trying to keep the business going . It's really a shit situation for all there is no need to be nasty and bitter we just have to make the best of the situation.

It's that middle class band in middle managment and white collar working not.

Don’t be ridiculous. Middle managers and white collar workers are the ones who can work from home using a laptop and a VPN. The only people I know who are furloughed are people who work in shops or the factories that haven’t reopened yet, or beauticians or people working in hospitality, childcare and tourism. They’re hardly feathering their nests, ffs. And they’re the ones most likely to end up made redundant if the economy doesn’t pick up.

@tulips I know several middle management people who have been furloughed

Anyone who thinks that everyone who is currently furloughed is living the dream sitting around doing nothing can think again. I’ve recently been furloughed from a job where I’ve worked and trained for 12 years to get to where I am. I’m now facing a dramatically reduced income for an unknown period of time and potential redundancy at any point. I’m scared for my future every day and I’d give anything to be back at work with my colleagues right now.

Does anyone know when employers will have to start contributing towards the furlough scheme? I think that’s the point when there will be redundancies.

I think July onwards