2pm update?

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Have I imagined that we were getting clarification on everything at 2pm today?

The Government has asked SAGE to examine whether, when and how it can safely change the regulations to allow people to expand their household group to include one other household in the same exclusive group.

Hopefully soon for people who live alone!

Delatron The document doesn't say 'should'. It says that is the 'ambition'. Many people have ambitions, that doesn't mean they should come true.

The back to work doesn't come under the Wednesday changes as it isn't a change, it's a reitteration of the original situation. People have always been able to go to work as long as they were not one of the workplaces ie cafes, non essential retail etc that had to close. Far more companies closed down than needed to, the country needs those companies back up and running as soon as possible.

No, people have always been able to go to work as long as they can't work from home.

jemima - just off the top of my head

are all children expected to be in everyday?
Will schools still be providing childcare for vulnerable and keyworkers children along side YR,1 and 6?
Will the NC remain suspended ie is this schools reopening or are we still just doing childcare?
YR CANNOT social distance so are we to assume that social distancing is not expected for staff working in those year groups and will PPE therefor be provided?
Will parents be obliged to send children in?
Are schools able to have reduced numbers of children in each day or are they expected to make provision fpr full school hours?

That is just off the top of my head!

Yep but an ‘ambition’ to send them all back for a month is better than ‘definitely not before September’. Which it could well have been. We’ll see!

That is the information that schools need. No notice of this has been given to schools, they found out at the same time as everyone else. They have also not been given any further guidance other than the non guidance in this document.

I think the plan suggests provision will still be provided for vulnerable and keyworker families.
The other questions, I've not seen any information about.
Like I say, some of this will probably be down to individual schools/LAs to come up with a framework for. Some of it maybe won't be announced til nearer the due date. Some of it probably won't be addressed at all and schools will be getting frantic phone calls

I agree with you lemon - the way schools have been treated in this is appalling. Schools definitely need more communication, even if it's a mailout to say "We don't have a definitive plan at this stage".

Jemima - you have just proved my point!

For the foreseeable future, workers should continue to work from home rather than their normal physical workplace, wherever possible. This will help minimise the number of social contacts across the country and therefore keep transmissions as low as possible. All those who work are contributing taxes that help pay for the healthcare provision on which the UK relies. People who are able to work at home make it possible for people who have to attend workplaces in person to do so while minimising the risk of overcrowding on transport and in public places.

All workers who cannot work from home should travel to work if their workplace is open. Sectors of the economy that are allowed to be open should be open, for example this includes food production, construction, manufacturing, logistics, distribution and scientific research in laboratories. The only exceptions to this are those workplaces such as hospitality and nonessential retail which during this first step the Government is requiring to remain closed.

As soon as practicable, workplaces should follow the new “COVID-19 Secure” guidelines, as set out in the previous chapter, which will be published this week. These will ensure the risk of infection is as low as possible, while allowing as many people as possible to resume their livelihoods.

Thats pretty clear.

No mention of when driving lessons can resume.

meet mum in the morning and dad in the afternoon?friend in the vening?oh comeon people stop taking the piss and taking advantage!

The rate of infection remains too high to allow the reopening of schools for all pupils yet. However, it is important that vulnerable children (including children in need, those with an Education, Health and Care plan and those assessed as otherwise vulnerable by educational providers or local authorities) and the children of critical workers are able to attend school, as is currently permitted. Approximately 2% of children are attending school in person, although all schools are working hard to deliver lessons remotely.

But there is a large societal benefit from vulnerable children, or the children of critical workers, attending school: local authorities and schools should therefore urge more children who would benefit from attending in person to do so.

The Government is also amending its guidance to clarify that paid childcare, for example nannies and childminders, can take place subject to being able to meet the public health principles at Annex A, because these are roles where working from home is not possible. This should enable more working parents to return to work.

This reads to me as if children classed as vulnerable who, under the previous guidance were allowed to attend (eg those with social workers), should be encouraged to do so NOW - and not after 1st June when schools start to reopen. I suspect we will see steps towards this pretty soon.

Driving lessons - I saw someone having a driving lesson last week - in a car of the driving school - I did double take but am sure it was a learner by virtue of how they were driving!

While most journeys to work involve people travelling either by bike, by car or on foot, public transport takes a significant number of people to work across the country, but particularly in urban centres and at peak times. As more people return to work, the number of journeys on public transport will also increase. This is why the Government is working with public transport providers to bring services back towards pre-COVID-19 levels as quickly as possible. This roadmap takes the impact on public transport into account in the proposed phased easing of measures.

When travelling everybody (including critical workers) should continue to avoid public transport wherever possible. If they can, people should instead choose to cycle, walk or drive, to minimise the number of people with whom they come into close contact. It is important many more people can easily travel around by walking and cycling, so the Government will increase funding and provide new statutory guidance to encourage local authorities to widen pavements, create pop-up cycle lanes, and close some roads in cities to traffic (apart from buses) as some councils are already proposing.

Social distancing guidance on public transport must be followed rigorously. As with workplaces, transport operators should follow appropriate guidance to make their services COVID19 Secure; this will be published this week.

So although the cabinet secretary has said changes to work apply from today, in reality the scenes on the tub today mean in practice it shouldn't be happening until the publication of this document. And the scenes today on public transport were an abberation of poor communication and should not have been allowed to happen as it contridicts the guidance.

HarrietOh they wont though.judging by what we are doing ast the moment people will group into this "buble mix" and then still go mixing outside of that.they are at the moment

As more people return to work, there will be more movement outside people's immediate household. This increased mobility means the Government is now advising that people should aim to wear a face-covering in enclosed spaces where social distancing is not always possible and they come into contact with others that they do not normally meet, for example on public transport or in some shops. Homemade cloth face-coverings can help reduce the risk of transmission in some circumstances. ^Face-coverings are not intended to help the wearer, but to protect against inadvertent transmission of the disease to others if you have it asymptomatically.

A face covering is not the same as a facemask such as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers. These supplies must continue to be reserved for those who need it. Face-coverings should not be used by children under the age of two, or those who may find it difficult to manage them correctly, for example primary age children unassisted, or those with respiratory conditions. It is important to use facecoverings properly and wash your hands before putting them on and taking them off.^

I read this as face covering particularly on public transport is being 'encouraged' but isn't compulsory.

The FAQ has also been updated, for those who can't face reading the entire plan document.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

SAGE advise that the risk of infection outside is significantly lower than inside, so the Government is updating the rules so that, as well as exercise, people can now also spend time outdoors subject to: not meeting up with any more than one person from outside your household; continued compliance with social distancing guidelines to remain two metres (6ft) away from people outside your household; good hand hygiene, particularly with respect to shared surfaces; and those responsible for public places being able to put appropriate measures in place to follow the new COVID-19 Secure guidance.

People may exercise outside as many times each day as they wish. For example, this would include angling and tennis. You will still not be able to use areas like playgrounds, outdoor gyms or ticketed outdoor leisure venues, where there is a higher risk of close contact and touching surfaces. You can only exercise with up to one person from outside your household – this means you should not play team sports, except with members of your own household.

People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household.

When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration.

These measures may come with some risk; it is important that everyone continues to act responsibly, as the large majority have done to date. The infection rate will increase if people begin to break these rules and, for example, mix in groups in parks, which will trigger the need for further restrictions.

I think that clears up the confusion that reigned this morning.

Face covering guidance - Published:11th May
www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-wear-and-make-a-cloth-face-covering/how-to-wear-and-make-a-cloth-face-covering

Also: Don't fuck it up or they will lock us down again.

"The Government is also amending its guidance to clarify that paid childcare, for example nannies and childminders, can take place subject to being able to meet the public health principles at Annex A, because these are roles where working from home is not possible."

Childminders do work from home: that is the whole point of childminders!
They clearly have no idea what a childminder is.

They always said Wednesday, I'm confused how people heard Monday. Unless I'm going crazy which is entirely possible

PilatesPeach - must have been an instructor teaching a member of his household (although the cynic in me thinks not!)