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So who will be returning their children to school in June?

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Bigfishylittlefishy · 11/05/2020 10:45

Just that really. Parents of reception, year 1 and year 6, IF schools return on the 1st of June, will you send your child in?

My son is in reception and I would be willing to send him in.

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cadburyegg · 12/05/2020 18:43

@MonkeyToesOfDoom and why would I do that? I was explaining my reasoning behind sending my own child. Others are free to make their own choice

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 12/05/2020 18:53

"It'll never happen to my child" said 99% of the parents of dead kids.

Bollss · 12/05/2020 18:55

My child could die of hundreds of things. I know that. Shall I keep him in my house for the rest of his life? (Which is fill of things that might also kill him)

cadburyegg · 12/05/2020 18:57

That is laughable. Again, are you proposing that children should never travel in cars?

If we aren’t supposed to look at statistics and facts, what exactly are parents supposed to use in their decision making process then?

I suppose you think this will go away by September? It won’t.

angstridden2 · 12/05/2020 18:57

I can’t believe some of the comments about about childrens’ funerals....it’s a rubbish situation, not everyone has the choice of whether to return to work or not, not all children are thriving at home.this virus will be around for a while and a vaccine is not going to be available soon.other countries are opening schools, very cautiously, and we can watch how this goes over the next couple of weeks.can we please try not to be so unkind to others, it’s a hard decision particularly if you aren’t fortunate enough to have a real choice.

FourTeaFallOut · 12/05/2020 18:59

No. I'm shielding and in an area next to one with one of the highest covid cases per 100 000. I have a y6 and a y1 and I'll reconsider in September.

LittleFoxKit · 12/05/2020 19:03

My mind is utterly blown by posters who wont said their year 1/6 child back because they are vulnerable but would send their child in another year back because they arent... people do realise that children can spread coronavirus, and as long as one child is attending school, the other child is absolutely no safer at home unless you are planning to quarantine one or other without allowing any contact to anyone or anything the one attending school has..

I'm sick of false statistics being spread about children not being able to spread CV, more research has been conducted since, and if you read the papers correctly you would see their are huge limitations and problems with the methodology of the studies which claim children arent spreading it.

In many ways research suggests children may be the most dangerous spreaders as they show very little symptoms, therefore the precautions we would put in place with adults soon as systems show wont be with children. Likewise more recent studies have shown due to differences in immune systems it may be possible for children to have the same viral load while being asymptomatic as a adult or child who is symptomatic making them very good covert Covid spreaders.. more research is in the process of being conducted to confirm the previous literature around these findings.

People need to remember that although children may not get seriously ill, they have been hospitalised although the fatality rate is lower, science dosent yet know what the long term implications of CV is.

Regarding the whole.. what difference does September make issue..
It actually makes a big difference as the science behind developing more effective treatments for CV is rapidly evolving. We may not have a vaccine for CV by September, but we may have very effective treatments and as such a much much lower fatality rate. As Covid is so new it does take time to develop treatments and even find out what is effective and what makes it worse, but the science is moving quickly, but currently is not yet quite there to consider effective treatments as currently being available.

With science a few months can make a HUGE difference, in our knowledge of a virus, in the treatments available and even understanding how it spreads and how to prevent it or even who is truely vulnerable. So yes in many ways September may be safer for numerous reasons.

But stop kidding yourselves that because kids arent vulnerable all is okay. This ignores the fact that children have contact with adults, and on average have 4 times as many social contacts per day then adults, so if they are asymptomtically spreading it, it is easy to see how opening schools could cause a massive rise.

Other countries that have much better Covid responses then the UK have also found since reopening schools that their R values have spiked again. This is with many more precautions then the UK is willing to take.

It also ignores the issues as to whether many schools will have the staff and space to teach hugely smaller classes, even more so once you include key workers children as many will have reduced staffing and will need many many more classrooms for the number of children who previous could fit in a few.

Finally, let's acknowledge the issue for what it is regarding lower infants returning. Some of the best education systems in the world only start formal education at 7 years old. Others only start compulsory schooling at 6, and their educational outcomes absolutely positively put the UK to shame. And the issue is by no means teachers, as they do the very best they can with what resources are available to them. But it shows that with a effective and competent department of education that in many places YR and Y1 are primarily used for play, and that not starting formal writing and reading till later does not have adverse effects on educational outcomes - although this is relative to the educational system and structure.

If routine is needed, develop routine at home. School are not returning to school as normal. If they are missing friends theres a high chance they will continue to miss them as theres no guarantee that when classes are split they will be kept in friendship groups or even with teachers they know. Very likely beyond the routine of turning up at school, there will be nothing else that resembles the routine of school that children are used to.

That's my rant over. I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of people lauding facts and research when they clearly do not understand it or are able to view it critically and acknowledge its limitations and implications.

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 12/05/2020 19:11

You go on about car accidents, 1770 or so deaths in 2018. Steps and practices in place to minimise risk. Licenses, air bags, Mots, speed limits. Huge effort and billions of pounds go in to lowering the number of deaths and accidents. These process and checks have developed over years of intense research.

Kids back in school where they could spread a disease and where no distancing is taking place.. not the same is it.

Every class will be a Petri dish. It'll take one drop of Covid, one kid with it, and the Petri dish will overflow very quickly.

You do what you like. You want to expose your child to risk, that's on you. If that risk is small enough for you to justify it you crack on.
I don't trust this government, I don't trust their stats, I don't trust them to tell the truth because so far they haven't. I don't believe they've acted in the populations best interest. I don't believe they're acting in the best interest of the children, you do...
Let's hope your child doesnt pay for that in the weeks to come.

MarrowWang · 12/05/2020 19:19

My Y1 is looking forward to going back, says hes missed his friends. Y2 is upset shes not to go back at the same time. Given it seems that kids pretty much have no risk (unless in vulnerable group which is different obviously) I think its a little..daft..to be worrying about healthy kids going back. IF I had a child who was on the vulnerable list though, my answer would be different.

MarrowWang · 12/05/2020 19:25

I think my house is a bit biased when discussing virus-y things though as near 100% sure we had it in december. Kids 'didnt catch it' which was odd as kids always get what we have, but given kids 'catch it' but tend to not show symptoms, that makes sense.

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 12/05/2020 19:28

@MarrowWang
Not really the kids that's the main concern. Your child could go in, get it, show no symptoms, come home and pass it to their siblings, to you, your partner etc. If you have a health issue you don't know about, you could be dead by August.

LittleFoxKit · 12/05/2020 19:34

Problem is... maybe households who think theyve had it, actually haven't as this winter was a awful one for non-covid related bugs/illnesses/flus, and the same immune systems that make it highly probable that some children do not show Covid systems even with a high viral load also result in them rebounding quicker from some other viruses and bugs.

With Covid it's currently impossible to really play a guessing game as the science hasn't quite got their, and not enough is yet definitive about symptoms and presentations of the illness.

Most people know they had the flu, because the recognise the systems from having seen it first hand, this is not the case, and hopefully will not be the case with Covid due to it being considerably more deadly.

LittleFoxKit · 12/05/2020 19:36

Their = there
The = they

MarrowWang · 12/05/2020 19:43

If you have a health issue you don't know about, you could be dead by August.

That would be unlucky, however the risk will still be there come September so not sure why September seems this magic date to many? The virus is not going to go away, and even when a vaccine comes, those who do not know they have a medical condition will not be among those getting it anyway?

MarrowWang · 12/05/2020 19:44

I have had he flu, this wasn't flu, or nothing like any flu I have had before (unless its mutated significantly to be almost a different illness recently..), and my sense of taste still hasn't returned months later :S

EstherLittle · 12/05/2020 19:45

I have a year 6 and am not sending her back. She’s happier at home and already knows the secondary school well as her sister is already there. I don’t see the point for 6 weeks. It’s been tough but I can work from home and the online school stuff is ok.

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 12/05/2020 19:56

however the risk will still be there come September so not sure why September seems this magic date to many?

The risk will still be there in September.
But if stats, as some are so fond of, show the infection rate after 2 months is down from 3 to 0.9 then another 4 months will see the R down further. Plus more research, more watching other countries, more stats to work. So on and so on.

Many people think they're doing this to push a second peak before winter, fine. But that second peak could see another 40000+ dead. That's people, they're not just statistics that someone on TV reads out.
ONS reckons 55000 people have died.. thats a huge number, that's around 25 - 30 YEARS worth of car crash deaths... In a matter of weeks. Every single one of them was someone to somebody. Mother's, father's, daughters, sons, sisters, brothers.

People are so keen to get a second peak and just accept families will lose people thye love. But they're always seem to be the ones least at risk. Weird that.

Delatron · 12/05/2020 20:04

So we’d prefer a second peak in autumn? When the hospitals are under pressure anyway? Weird that...

Or do you propose we all just stay hidden away for a year?

Delatron · 12/05/2020 20:05

Why not let the ones least at risk get on with their lives then? And shield the more risky people?

MarrowWang · 12/05/2020 20:34

People are so keen to get a second peak and just accept families will lose people thye love. But they're always seem to be the ones least at risk. Weird that.

My dad is apparently one of the most high risk people given he has no spleen (until this I honestly thought a spleen was another of those useless things that you don't really need..like an appendix!). However, he will continue to shield for the foreseeable future, we will not be taking the kids next to him. Just because people don't want to hide away for the next year or so doesn't mean noone they know is high risk..

Chillipeanuts · 12/05/2020 20:41

MarrowWang

With respect (really), you have the choice. People who live with their vulnerable loved ones don’t.

MeadowHay · 12/05/2020 20:41

Monkey, you're being disingenuous with your figure, comparing it to car crash deaths. Excess mortality is the important figure, not covid deaths alone. Especially as many people die with covid, not of it, but are recorded as a covid death, so to speak. Excess mortality is up on usual, but some of that is due to the lockdown itself and the government messaging, frightening people away from visiting GP surgeries and A&E when they are having heart attacks or cancer symptoms.

MarrowWang · 12/05/2020 20:53

With respect (really), you have the choice. People who live with their vulnerable loved ones don’t.

I guess thats true.

I don't really see a way around it though, besides everyone staying in until a vaccine comes, which could be 18 months?

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 12/05/2020 21:47

Monkey, you're being disingenuous with your figure, comparing it to car crash deaths. Excess mortality is the important figure

metro.co.uk/2020/05/06/there-already-have-12663905/

danadas · 12/05/2020 21:48

Mine are Y2 and Y10 so not in the first tranche but I will keep them at home for as long as I can which will hopefully be at least September. I will be WFH I think until the winter so happy to keep them with me and neither of them want to go back.