You CAN meet with other households - at 2M distance - England only ***title edited for clarity by MNHQ***

[lyralalala]

Dominic Raab just said on BBC breakfast you can meet up, socially distanced, with other people not from your household

He was specifically asked "Can I meet my Mum in the morning and my Dad in the afternoon?" and said yes, as long as you stay 2m apart

So confirms what was told to the journalists, but contradicts what Boris said

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If only there were an alternative to picking holes in advice. Some kind of 'common sense' perhaps?

@LastTrainEast If only the government could just give clear advice

Boris was "clear" last night. Stay in your own household while out. Fines will be increased for those not.

The press were briefed that one person from one household could meet, socially distanced, one person from another household.

Those two things were a direct contradiction and caused confusion.

I think your thread title would be more accurate if it said

You CANNOT mix households. You must stay 2m apart and outdoors only

Common sense is all very well, but everyone applies it differently. Also, there are fines for not following the rules, increased fines now.

So, if we are going to be fined for not following the rules, it's only right that the rules should be very clear. And that we are not being told to just make our own decisions.

Also, this is obviously only for England.

So, if we are going to be fined for not following the rules, it's only right that the rules should be very clear. And that we are not being told to just make our own decisions.

Exactly. You can't justifiably fine people for rules that have been announced differently depending on what broadcast people watched.

Anyone who only watched Boris will be getting hacked off with people making plans to meet family in the park, whereas anyone who only watched the news later won't understand that annoyance.

I think that the government is being deliberately obscure as they know that Joe Public is already on the verge of taking their own interpretation of the social distancing rules according to the individuals own personal beliefs and values and that somehow society will “level out”.

People could see their family 2m distanced before this latest update, Raab is telling us nothing different because it’s distance that’s the key message here.

As if folk will remain at a 2m distance when dad needs in to use the loo or nana is gasping for a brew.

People will be mixing and mingling again in days and THAT is where the government will be able to examine how that’s affecting the R rate.

Cut to the end of May, if the R rate is stable or drops, more places will open but the distance message won’t change, because by that time most won’t likely be adhereing to it IMVHO. It’s happening already, and we are in Scotland.

So no reason to “lift” - and if the R number does climb its the “stupid public’s fault”.

Our teen DC have been brilliant and not seen any friends. However, we all watched Boris together with no mention of this. Then just before she went to bed our teen DC said, it said on SM that you can see friends if more than 2M apart. I said no that wasn’t right. Now on GMTV we are getting very mixed messages. Also basically 4 of us live in the household. If each of all meet with 1 person from another household we are mixing with 4 households and goodness knows how many those households have met with. Its absolute madness. Then into the mix we have the same ignorant morons who go out with mild symptoms, don’t abide by social distancing, go to their parents and are close enough to be handed a coffee and a homemade biscuit, yet they maybe haven’t washed their hands since going in the supermarket, closing a gate, ringing the doorbell and were at a BBQ with Karen and other NDN’s at a weekend etc. Think BJ wants to throw us all to the wolves. I will be carrying on as we were to protect ourselves and protect elderly family members but expect a fight on my hands with the teens.

What's consistent with what both the PM and Dominic Raab have said is that meeting other households is okay as long as each household is at least 2m apart. The 2m distance rule has always been the case, and you could have always gone for a walk with someone you know as long as you were 2m apart and that was the only exercise you did that day. All that has changed now is that you can go out more than once a day and you can sit in the park. But still, as ever, only if each household is at least 2m apart.

And with work, the rules are essentially the same; it's just the emphasis of the message that has changed: it was to work from home unless you can't; and now it's to go to work if you can't work from home.

The one person rule doesn’t exist

That came from the line or questioning

Raab actually said you can meet others as long as 2m away and outside

Pretty much common sense and what people have been doing anyway

So you can meet whoever you like as long as there two metres

This Morning is saying there is confusion if you can do this.

It has NEVER been part of the rules that you could meet someone else from outside of your household as long as you kept 2m apart! Where are people getting this from?!

@daisymay133 The one person rule is what the journalists were briefed last night.

One person from each household could meet as long as they stay 2M apart.

Now this morning Raab has suggested different things on different shows. He apparently said one thing on tv and the other on radio.

It has NEVER been part of the rules that you could meet someone else from outside of your household as long as you kept 2m apart! Where are people getting this from?!

It is now.

What's consistent with what both the PM and Dominic Raab have said is that meeting other households is okay as long as each household is at least 2m apart. The 2m distance rule has always been the case, and you could have always gone for a walk with someone you know as long as you were 2m apart and that was the only exercise you did that day. All that has changed now is that you can go out more than once a day and you can sit in the park. But still, as ever, only if each household is at least 2m apart.

That wasn't the rule. You couldn't meet another household 2M apart.

And last night Boris said you couldn't do it now either - "You can sit in the sun in your local park, you can drive to other destinations, you can even play sports but only with members of your own household" and then went on say that that there would be "increased fines for the small minority who do not comply".

However, the press were briefed differently and told that you can meet 1 person from another household at 2M distance.

No it isn’t. The Government have pedalled back sharpish. Raab was basically making it up as he went along this morning.

That may be the case @lyralalala but people are saying this is no change from what was allowed previously - no wonder people are confused. And then when different things are said on different shows, it just makes a mockery of the rules.

No it isn’t. The Government have pedalled back sharpish. Raab was basically making it up as he went along this morning.

It's just ridiculous. This all started last night with confusion among the journalists. They had all night to plan for this

At least they've clarified now - However, the UK government put out a clarification saying people can only meet one person outside if you follow social distancing - not two people, such as both parents, at the same time.

It's hard to see what any of higher fines will be for ?

Partys and mixing households indoors perhaps but outdoors the only theoretical fine will be to be closer than 2mtrs to someone.

There is a bit of ambiguity.

On Friday I went for a walk and met my neighbour who was out for a walk with her family. I stopped (at more than 2m distance) and we exchanged a few words (mostly of the "are you ok, how are you coping" variety). I hadn't planned to meet her and we spoke very briefly, so is this allowed? Should I have rushed past with no more than a quick "hello" (is a "hello" allowed?) If I'd had the same conversation during a planned meeting, would this be allowed?

It's hard to see what any of higher fines will be for ?

Partys and mixing households indoors perhaps but outdoors the only theoretical fine will be to be closer than 2mtrs to someone.

Now that it's been clarified that you can only meet another person one-on-one from another household the higher fines will be for larger groups mixing from multiple households.

It'll be easier to spot big groups to find out if they are one household or not now they've fixed Raab's error

Its the larger groups, large family gatherings, teen parties, and on one thread a SIL is planning a large family gathering for their GM this weekend who is 95!

These are the people who need to be personally spoken to as they really dont get this!

I'm finding this confusing.

The modelling in place was about not mixing households. So if one member of a household a meets another household b member and maintains a 2m distance in public, household a can then not meet another household? What if household b then meets someone from household c and household c goes on to meet household d?

This is how social bubbling will not work. It is an impossible setting.

I'm quite clear on the measures, and can apply common sense, but well....

@BakedCam Raab says that as long as the meetings are outdoors and 2M apart it's safe

So you can meet your Mum in the morning and your Dad in the afternoon, but not your Mum and Dad together.

I assume it's one-on-one as it's easier to maintain the 2M and also easier to spot large groups breaking it if they remain uncommon