You CAN meet with other households - at 2M distance - England only ***title edited for clarity by MNHQ***

[lyralalala]

Dominic Raab just said on BBC breakfast you can meet up, socially distanced, with other people not from your household

He was specifically asked "Can I meet my Mum in the morning and my Dad in the afternoon?" and said yes, as long as you stay 2m apart

So confirms what was told to the journalists, but contradicts what Boris said

@Biscuit0110 Gardens count as 'home' according to the clarification. You need to meet away from home.

But, you can randomly bump into another household while having your unlimited exercise

So if you randomly bump into them and sit in the park, but stay 2m apart...

Will the police be checking text messages to see if it was random

Yes, @Biscuit0110

Which is why the fines and arrests are being reviewed as per the link kindly provided by a PP, upthread.

The fact that everyone on this thread disagrees is evidence that THE MESSAGE ISN'T CLEAR!

This is the government's responsibility.

@chomalungma

That's about the size of it.

Well, aside from the police seizing devices, it will take them six months at least to get data from WhatsApp. The cost of this would be monstrous if people insist on being arrested rather than accept the fixed penalty.

Rushed through legislation like this is wrong. It is an infringement on rights, yet people are blindly reporting neighbours etc.

I don't know what is going on. I don't think we should be having to work so hard to find out. DP says that he saw over 70s are not included anyway so you are not allowed to see an older family member at 2 m distance in the park.

OP what you're suggesting is not mixing households, it's maintaining social distancing.

I can't get worked up about this. Use your common sense and take your own risks. Stay 2m away from everyone who isn't an immediate member of your household. Not sure why this is hard.

It has NEVER been part of the rules that you could meet someone else from outside of your household as long as you kept 2m apart! Where are people getting this from?!

People could meet in groups of no more than 2 people to exercise whilst maintaing a 2m distance or 2+ people if they were all part of the same household.

All I can say is the press briefing and Parliament will be very interesting this afternoon.

It reminds me of this.

Trying to explain a rule

Remember when we were asked to "stay home, essential travel only" and there were all those threads on mumsnet because apparently that extremely clear advice wasn't clear enough some people? Now we have advice that is less definitive and we are weeks later so all a fair bit wiser you'd hope. The current advice is less easy to interpret, but still within normal understanding for people with a sense of personal responsibility for their own lives, awareness of their own personal risk profile and understanding of the appropriate levels of risk they should be taking. Do people really want chapter and verse of every situation to be outlined in microscopic detail? Presumably not. Just apply common sense fgs or you won't be able to get out of the house anyway because you'll be poring over thousand page documents about what you can and can't do.

So if I meet a friend in a packed park with joggers rushing by, dogs jumping all over me, and finding it hard to distance from anyone, that is preferable to meeting in the garden with absolutely no one in it?!

That is clearly bonkers.

Do you have a link to confirm gardens are considered home op? Is that the case even if we promise to pee in the rose bushes rather than use the loo

However, the UK government put out a clarification saying people can only meet one person outside at a time - not two people, such as both parents, at the same time.

That's the clearest bit to date.

@inkpaperstars That's up to your older relative. They are at more risk, but it's an advisory that they stay at home not an actual order.

My MIL is mid 70's. Women in her family have a weird habit of dying at 80. She's already said she's taking the chances to spend time with the kids (she lives with us so not totally ridiculous) and go for walks. She's in good health, but wouldn't want ventilated because of the impact it would have. She's decided she'd rather do what someone of 60 can do and live to 77/78 than hide away for 6 months/a year/longer and live to 80.

In Ireland as soon as the Prime Minister/ Taoiseach finished speaking the government published a clear 22 page booklet on their website setting out what is allowed in each phase with a one page summary chart.
Is there nothing similar for England

A 50 page document is supposedly being issued today to give further clarification (the prerecorded msg last night was just the highlights). Whether joe public gets to see said document or it is just for MPs, unions, work bodies etc is anyones guess.

@Popuppippa I've already said more than once that I've asked MNHQ to change the title. I said meet in my OP. I got distracted while watching the news and put mix in the title.

It's not that it's hard. It's not ridiculous to be commenting on the fact the government gave three different rules/guidances to the same thing in 12 hours...

Looking in from outside I'm very glad I'm not in the UK.

So you can't meet anyone (friend, family) in your garden at all even if you keep 2m distance because that's your home. But for your gardener he can come in because that's his work as long as he keeps 2m distance. What is the difference between your gardener coming in and distancing but your 90 year old granny who lives in her own house next door can't come in your garden. But you could chat to her over the garden fence as long as you keep 2m away from her?

And you can (as an individual) arrange to meet one person in the park and keep 2m away. So what is stopping this scenario: Mrs X arranges to meet Mrs Y. Mr X arranges to meet Mr Y at the same time. DS1 X arranges to meet DD1 Y, and DD2 X arranges to meet DS2 Y. They all go to the park. X family stand in a line, and Y family stand in a line, opposite them but 2m away. Ad infinitum.

On the one hand people say (and i agree) use common sense. But on the other hand, the police are going to fine you according to some invisible and possible arbitrary (depending on age, skin-colour…) way that is not available to the public yet.

And i get grumpy about having to wear a mask to buy a packet of asprin at the pharmacy? blimey.

What is so wrong with discussing this?

Last night Boris said don't meet anyone outside your own household and you'll get fined if you do

This morning Raab said both that you can meet one person one-on-one at 2M and two households can meet at 2M while out

Three things in 12 hours. By a government supposedly giving people a clear plan.

This is not a stupid or unintelligent thing to be discussing.

They all go to the park. X family stand in a line, and Y family stand in a line, opposite them but 2m away. Ad infinitum

A regular pentagon maybe - each person 2m apart?

They all go to the park. X family stand in a line, and Y family stand in a line, opposite them but 2m away. Ad infinitum

A regular pentagon maybe - each person 2m apart?

The police must be hoping it just rains and everyone stays away from the park!

@Popuppippa has it nailed.

It is maintaining social distancing. Regardless of whether it is your parents, adult children or Bob from down the road.

@lyralalala

Of course it can be discussed and picked apart. You carry on. It is fascinating.

Also basically 4 of us live in the household. If each of all meet with 1 person from another household we are mixing with 4 households and goodness knows how many those households have met with. Its absolute madness

True but its only what is happening already - everytime you go to the supermarket your standing 2m apart from how many other households? Or if you are still at work you are sat/standing 2m away from how many other collegues? As long as your not actively hugging/coughing all over/sharing cups etc then each of your family meeting a diiferent person poses no greater risk than going shopping/work.

I find it amazing how people interpret words /messages in so many different ways....they hear what they want to hear a lot of the time

As long as your not actively hugging/coughing all over/sharing cups etc then each of your family meeting a diiferent person poses no greater risk than going shopping/work.

I think that's going to be where the garden thing has come from - sharing cups and sitting too close.

I guess if my Mum employs me as her cleaner i can see her INSIDE so long as we stay 2m apart ...

I am losing the will to live reading this thread, maybe we all will, and then we won't need to worry about it anymore...

I find it amazing how people interpret words /messages in so many different ways....they hear what they want to hear a lot of the time

To be fair to everyone there's been three versions of this one now so everyone's wishes are pretty much covered!