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Why is everyone rushing back to work this morning?

260 replies

Nb89 · 11/05/2020 07:56

It's being reported London buses are rammed when they've been relatively quiet until now.
Why have people rushed back yo work today regardless of the guidelines?

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Ifailed · 11/05/2020 11:03

there should be more buses, trains running so that the social distancing can be applied.

Assuming that these extra vehicles are waiting on the shelf in some transport supermarket, where are you going to get the drivers to operate them?

PickUpAPickUpAPenguin · 11/05/2020 11:04

Why are so many people absolutely outraged about having to return to work weeks after lockdown was initiated

If he wanted people to return on Monday, he could have made the announcement on Thursday or Friday so people had time to prepare to return. By prepare I mean adjust shopping day, sleeping hours etc. Employers might want time to organize cleaning, thinking of some new policies and routines for how things work eg one person in the office kitchen at a time
The original lockdown message was on a Monday so it's not like Sunday was a significant day.

Stellaris22 · 11/05/2020 11:05

Outraged? Of course people are.

Employers can now force people back to work, employees will be working in unsafe conditions. I'd be scared too and to say that people are just being lazy is insulting.

oldiewelshie · 11/05/2020 11:05

Don't ruin it all by asking sensible questions Ifailed.

PickUpAPickUpAPenguin · 11/05/2020 11:07

I suspect that more than one child has woken up to the news to discover that mum /dad /both have to go to work and is feeling worried. It would have been nice if the news was delivered on Friday so the child could discuss their worries before Monday.

I know that many work weekends but 24-48 hours notice would have been appreciated

The80sweregreat · 11/05/2020 11:08

I wouldn't be happy on furlough as chances are you may not have a job in June or July or whenever you can go back ( sadly ) :(
Social distancing in many bars and eateries will be impossible. Weatherspoons are usually huge places so they might be able to do it, but not the smaller pubs. Limiting to a few people wouldn't even cover the overheads or staff wages.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/05/2020 11:08

I wonder how big the next spike will be and how many people will die or lose loved ones or be permanently impaired? Very sad.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/05/2020 11:09

No @Stella, that isn't what is happening. If your employer acts like a twat report them!

bluebell34567 · 11/05/2020 11:10

Ifailed, the public transport is limited now, not that there arent enough buses. they are not running at the normal frequency.
the bus drivers are protected by limitations put around them and the free pass.

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Rosehip10 · 11/05/2020 11:16

"Avoid public transport where possible" is a daft and unrealistic message in London.

PhilCornwall1 · 11/05/2020 11:16

Employers might want time to organize cleaning, thinking of some new policies and routines for how things work eg one person in the office kitchen at a time

To be fair, if a business has been closed up to now, the management have had ample time to plan this and if they haven't that's poor planning.

It's been obvious for a while now that when businesses can open/people come into an office, there would be social distancing to consider and other things specific to the nature of the organisation. There isn't an excuse on this really.

VenusOfWillendorf · 11/05/2020 11:17

Here is the speech:
www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-10-may-2020

^And the first step is a change of emphasis that we hope that people will act on this week.

We said that you should work from home if you can, and only go to work if you must.

We now need to stress that anyone who can’t work from home, for instance those in construction or manufacturing, should be actively encouraged to go to work^

The week starts on Monday. Not Wednesday. He doesn't mention Wednesday until later in the speech with reference to exercise.

Ugzbugz · 11/05/2020 11:21

The corporate world is very corrupt, they dont give a shit about people and people may live in fear of Corona virus but probably more scared of losing their homes and feeding their kids

StarintheMorning · 11/05/2020 11:23

A spokesperson has now said that Dominic Raab was INCORRECT to say that you could meet two people in the park, it is one person only at a time. You could meet your parents but it would have to be separately.

If cabinet members can’t get it right, what hope the rest of us!

LondonJax · 11/05/2020 11:24

I think Boris will do a lot of back tracking in his clarification this afternoon.

A lot of companies will be very aware of social distancing and will be trying their best. DH's company has contacted them this morning to say stay at home working from home, we're gradually getting those who want to work at the office back. They did a huge questionnaire a few weeks ago asking who was happy to carry on working from home, what problems people were having with working from home, what help they needed IF there was a return to the actual office and they're working with that information.

There was a man on the radio last week who runs a removal company. They've tried to implement social distancing rules. They ask that the home owner who is moving does a deep clean of furniture (good luck with that but they are trying), they wear masks and they wear gloves. They have company overalls and have arranged for everyone to get more so they can be washed after every move. But, as he said, you can't move a heavy piece of furniture within social distancing rules. If it's a table that's a metre wide, that's the gap between operatives. And that's fine because it's obvious that you've done your best.

The point is these are good companies. For every few of these you'll have the ones, like the construction site employee who called in on the same radio programme, who don't have masks, don't have social distancing and are told to get in or leave their jobs. Exactly what do those employees do? Refuse to work? Find another job? Report the company? To whom?

A lot of people will be using public transport. Some don't have a car, some don't like driving in big cities, some can't afford the parking. Of those people, some will be told they can stagger. But we've all seen people, even on here, who don't like the idea of their teams even WFH because they don't trust them, as adults, to work properly.

Try explaining to that, distrustful, manager that you had to let three buses go because they were 'too full' for you to be safe. I would imagine their thoughts would go along the line of 'yeah, right. I got in so you can get in if you hauled your backside out of bed a bit earlier, so I'm not having too many of these conversations....'.

I've had similar conversations during transport strikes. I had a boss tell me to get up an hour earlier if I couldn't get on a bus (at 5am in the morning!) And I was (still am) someone who gets in early and leaves late - I will admit I wasn't after that, not for that company. So I can imagine what some employees are up against.

It's fine for people like me, who are working from home and getting paid, to say 'well, wait for the other bus' or 'tell your employer you've got to work from home' or 'don't go back to work if you don't have to'. It's another thing to be on the other side of the fence.

DOINGOURBIT · 11/05/2020 11:30

Surely most employers will have work to do in installing adequate safety measures - moving desks, limiting numbers of staff coming in etc.

Although Boris did imply to go back this morning, you can't just rock up without knowing if there's any work for you to perform, or without having heard from your employer, can you? From 7pm last night to 8.30am this morning, what are employers supposed to have done to prepare adequately?

Orangeblossom78 · 11/05/2020 11:30

A lot of people could cycle or walk but choose not to. there are cycle paths in cities too

Bluntness100 · 11/05/2020 11:31

Are people some how forgetting the death rate is approx half a percentage point that 3000 under the age of 65 have died and that 95 percent of those had significant under lying health conditions? So approx 150 healthy people have died, and that for the overwhelming majority of people it’s no symptoms or a mild cold.

You read rhe thread and it’s like people are running around their living rooms screaming we are all going to die with their pants on their heads.

If you’re shielded or vulnerable that’s differentl but if you’re a health adult below 65 it’s time to get a grip

beguilingeyes · 11/05/2020 11:32

@JudyCoolibar the Congestion Charge has been suspended for the foreseeable.

I work for the NHS in Whitechapel. I've been driving to work because no CC and the parking restriction aren't being enforced. If everyone starts doing that I'll have to revert to public transport. I love 10 miles away, too far to walk and I'm not sure I'd feel safe cycling along the Whitechapel Road.

foggybits · 11/05/2020 11:33

@Bluntness100 what measures has your workplace put in place?

PhilCornwall1 · 11/05/2020 11:35

If you’re shielded or vulnerable that’s differentl but if you’re a health adult below 65 it’s time to get a grip

I couldn't agree more.

returnofthemollymawks · 11/05/2020 11:38

I believe that as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom – Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland, there is a strong resolve to defeat this together.

He says that but there is no consistency with the guidelines for schools and exercise between the countries. Scotland and Wales are both doing different things to England. My DSis lives in a place where a lot of people live on one side and work over the border, including her. One of her children is at school on one side of the border, the other is over the border because that's the nearest secondary. It's a mess.

flyingbuttress43 · 11/05/2020 11:40

I see it's reported today that Germany's R rate has doubled from 0.65 to 1.1 now lockdown has lifted. The odd thing is though that it has apparently happened in just three days after lockdown lifted. How could even Germany with its much better testing system have come to that figure so quickly? Surely they couldn't have tested a statisically significant sample in that time?

Makes you wonder what will happen here with our inadequate testing system....

Bluntness100 · 11/05/2020 11:42

In the offices It’s a staff rota to ensure social distancing and people allowed in one at a time. In the plants it’s pretty much the same. Ppe made available. People working from home where possible.

Why? It’s not about my company. People need to understand the risks.

If their employer hasn’t put in measures then there is a justifiable fear if fear if medically vulnerable.

That doesn’t seem to be the case for many though, it’s perfectly healthy adults unable to understand the statistics.