England the only country that dissects and criticises everything the government say or do?

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So many other countries have schools back, various shops etc etc open.
Do you think people living in those countries also were up in arms when told they could return, dissecting and slagging off everything said?
Everyone here seems to think lockdown should either last forever or until September. I'm not quite sure what September will bring that June can't

So just wondering, is this criticism unique to England or do other countries do the same? I can't help but feel the people of England are so negative

If you could point me in the right direction, I would love to read some foreign press

You and i both know that you are perfectly capable of googling other countries press, its not like ive cited an obscure source

Plus just because the press don’t report it it doesn’t mean that the people of other countrIes don’t complain about their government

People were urging lockdown before we went into lockdown. Hardly "after the event "
Wonder how many lives it would have saved.
And how much more likely we could be coming out of lockdown now.
"After the event " , my arse.

@EdwinaMay you are joking aren’t you? We are not allowed to whinge at the government unless following up with a solution? Isn’t that what’s been happening. Lockdown early. Test more. Be more prepared. Close airports. Have a more concise and clear strategy with social distancing.

Anyway, poor Boris. He should have become PM of someplace nicer.

If anyone thought MN was left-leaning then they only need to come on this thread to be disabused of that.

@EdwinaMay you are joking aren’t you? We are not allowed to whinge at the government unless following up with a solution? Isn’t that what’s been happening. Lockdown early. Test more. Be more prepared. Close airports. Have a more concise and clear strategy with social distancing
So we close all airports how long for?
It was thought that people would not follow the rules as I understood it so were reluctant to try to be too draconian at the beginning and that could be the case.
And how long should businesses and industry remain on lockdown? Until the disease is eradicated from the UK? You are giving the usual inexact answers. 'have a more concise and clear strategy' - what's that stay home indefinitely, 2 years, 10 years? Finish your sentences with a clear answer as you seem to know much better than the gov.
Test more, how many do you want? How often?
You are being vague too.

Well, we have a government which already represents an extreme form of Brexit, which has torn the country in two. So at least half the nation distrusted them from the offset. Keeping Cummings as advisor despite contempt of parliament, data manipulation etc doesn't help.

Then we have THE SECOND HIGHEST DEATH RATE IN THE WORLD wtf are people not getting? We had a headstart to watch what other countries were doing and prepare. We did sod all. The advice has been unclear and conflicting. It's a total balls-up that has cost tens of thousands of lives

This dwarfs 9/11 and Hillborough and similar disasters - they were releasing people from hospitals into care homes full of vulnerable people without checking for CV. They don't give carers enough or the right kind of PPE.

It's not a case of left vs right, if you're not apoplectic about what's going on then you're not paying attention.

This government will be used as an example of terrible governance for generations. It's failing very, very badly.

Another one here agreeing with @BovaryX . So many people I know on faceache are demanding stricter/longer restrictions, but when the impact of that becomes more evident (economy, general health and social outcomes, safeguarding etc) they will be the first to cry that someone should have done something

@EdwinaMay. The UK should have done what has been done successfully elsewhere. There are concrete examples. You react quickly decisively and consistently, with clear instructions. You close airports and quarantine any returning citizens. It’s taken four weeks in the country I’m in and now we’re beginning to reopen.

What I did say was that the politics in the UK have gone from a rather libertarian to a more authoritarian one round Brexit

Can you explain how a desire to disengage from a transnational bureaucracy which can't be ejected by voters is 'authoritarian?' Libertarian means a small state with low taxes which prioritises individual freedom over authoritarian control.

@lavenderbongo Well I hope you aren't comparing us to NZ, so small and different it is not comparable. But we had no testing kits, no PPE to speak of, citizens arriving back from all over the world, Heathrow is the busies airport in the world. A huge capital city pop 8 million.
It's so silly to say we should have done what Germany or Korea has done - when we didn't have the equipment to do it. no testing kits, no labs to perform tests no ppe. And when we attempted to get it couldn't.
Perhaps our gov concentrating on BRexit for 3 long years, then promising to get it done, did not have their eye on the ball. And the 10 years of austerity prior to that possibly reduced the liklihood of us having PPE. We should have had a pandemic plan, but that was hardly the fault of just the present gov.
Any Government's main efforts go into staying in power. Do people really think that by letting large numbers die and not having the required kit is going to help boris stay in power at the next election. Of course they would have fixed things if they could. They couldn't.

Heathrow is the busies airport in the world.

Point of order - it's not.

It comes nowhere near close to being number 1 in terms of movements (flights in/out)

Atlanta (Hartsfield-Jackson) is the busiest in terms of annual total passenger numbers, has been for years.

I think LHR at one point came in as number one if your metric is international passengers arriving from another country to connect to fly on to another country.

Bool I fully agree with your first post but unfortunately people always have to have someone to blame. Data is key with pandemics and England has the amazing ONS, it is a world leading gatherer of what most people would deem useless information ( under non pandemic situations) but at this moment in history it lays bare this countries death rate very accurately. Not every country is as nit picky about their population statistics.
It is unfortunate that we appear to be ahead of the game regarding Covid-19 deaths but we have had an outbreak across the whole country. Other countries have managed to cleverly contain outbreaks to regions but have they been that clever in the long term? And are we just a bit quicker to accurately register our deaths?

@EdwinaMay. There are many comparable countries who have done a far better job than the UK. Vietnam is one. A population of 95 million and yet no deaths. Shut the airports, enforced proper social distancing with far less resources than the UK. Boris and his cabinet are just incompetent.

Lockdown was a mnetters issue as was the blue lips issue. In rl I’d not heard it discussed until my DSis informed me it was imminent 4 days before it happened, mn were howling hysterically three weeks before hand. I get the feeling that a hard core of mnetters spend most of their lives on mn and have no real interaction outside of this forum.
I know we are all stuck at home with nothing to do but mn has become a den of vipers. I think I am going to move away from these forums as it is skewing reality for me.

Too true, OP - too many people feel it’s their duty to tear down the government and the rest of the country just because it doesn’t live up to their fantasies of perfection.

Having clear advice from the government is not a fantasy of perfection.

Too true, OP - too many people feel it’s their duty to tear down the government and the rest of the country just because it doesn’t live up to their fantasies of perfection.

I don't think theres any danger of calling this government perfect. Criticism is alot better than unquestioning obedience and mindless nationalism.

It’s almost as if the government expects its citizens to know how to read and exercise common sense...

We all have a different idea of what is common sense.

It’s almost as if the government expects its citizens to know how to read and exercise common sense...

Go back to work but avoid public transport will be a tad difficult for those that don't drive and don't live near to their workplace.Wonderfully joined up thinking there. Its almost as if the government don't have a grasp of ordinary peoples lives..

is this criticism unique to England or do other countries do the same

Of course it's not bloody unique to England

What is the common sense way of getting to work without using public transport if you don't have a car?
What is the common sense way of driving to your favourite spot for exercise only to find it's the favourite spot of 100 other people and, surprise, surprise, there are loads of pinch points that make it difficult to keep your distance?

Go back to work but avoid public transport will be a tad difficult for those that don't drive and don't live near to their workplace.Wonderfully joined up thinking there. Its almost as if the government don't have a grasp of ordinary peoples lives..

The vast majority of the UK population either drives, walks, or cycles to work - 80% plus.

So like I said, not perfection, but a good start that works for most of the working population. Now tell me more about how it’s all rubbish and nothing works and no one could possibly understand and...

The vast majority of the UK population either drives, walks, or cycles to work - 80% plus.

Your solution for the rest being... what?