England the only country that dissects and criticises everything the government say or do?

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So many other countries have schools back, various shops etc etc open.
Do you think people living in those countries also were up in arms when told they could return, dissecting and slagging off everything said?
Everyone here seems to think lockdown should either last forever or until September. I'm not quite sure what September will bring that June can't

So just wondering, is this criticism unique to England or do other countries do the same? I can't help but feel the people of England are so negative

@Beerincomechampagnetastes
Absolutely. I agree with every word

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/04/half-adults-now-paid-state/

@Beerincomechampagnetastes completely agree. Especially with

The constant and apparently deliberate misquoting of people in order to create more hysterics.

Which @CloudsCoveredTheSky nearly did to a statement I made a few posts later.

Neatly not nearly

@BovaryX
Exactly, it's terrifying. People really do underestimate the deaths and fall out from prolonged lockdown. Probably because this is not modelled and numbers published on a daily basis. This country wants lockdown forever. Anyone who disagrees is accused of murdering a child or a granny.

Lockdown should have happened much earlier though, meaning it could have ended sooner.

I don't trust Boris.

We're still a democracy. Last time I looked.

It’s veered from being so liberal as to be libertarian to a more authoritarian position in the last few years, largely around Brexit
@JessicaDay

Your confused political language needs to be explained. What about Brexit is 'authoritarian?' By definition, a libertarian position means small state, low taxes. Its priority is individual freedom,
not state control. The welfare states which dominate Europe are not remotely libertarian. The EU as a bureaucratic behemoth which can't be ejected by voters is the antithesis of a libertarian state.

Here in England we have a PM who has put his own health on the line for us, going out every evening to give a statement to the nation .We seem to want to say "why didnt we do this or that" well after the event!

He blatantly ignored advice not to make physical contact -boasted about it even, then caught the virus. That's arrogance and swagger, not 'putting his health on the line'. And yes we do question his every move, because he keeps cocking up and needs to a)be held to account and b) put right the errors and c) not keep making the same mistakes and omissions.

This is not a political debate, it's about the country which comes before and above politics, The reality is

1. we have one of the highest death numbers and rates anywhere in the world
2. our front line workers STILL don't have correct equipment and protection weeks into this
3. they STILL haven't managed to get a testing regime up and running at any scale - despite this being one of the biggest factors in managing spread and having massive resources at their disposal
4. we are STILL letting people fly in in large numbers without proper controls
5. there is no joined guidance about how the 'new' arrangements are to work, with no clear timeline. The onus is now on people to 'be aware' whatever that means. Public health announcements need to be Cristal clear as people need clarity in what they can and cannot do. We are now left in a confusion state of 'am I allowed to do this or not?' There will be another spike and many more will die needlessly.

Yes, we need a plan back to a more free-moving world, where risks are balanced and managed, but this is exactly what is not happening. Left,right or centre we all die the same and if you are a Boris fan and have any sense , you will see that loving Boris is no protection from Boris's arrogance and stupidity (my first para refers).

We have the highest death toll in Europe because our government are a liability.
September will buy us three more months of testing, research and planning. Many more lives can be saved and life return to normal if we sit tight for a bit longer. And FWIW I probably won't see my family for a year, but better alive apart than dead.

My post the first para was supposed to be bold as I was quoting PP so here it is again

*Here in England we have a PM who has put his own health on the line for us, going out every evening to give a statement to the nation .We seem to want to say "why didnt we do this or that" well after the event!
*

He blatantly ignored advice not to make physical contact -boasted about it even, then caught the virus. That's arrogance and swagger, not 'putting his health on the line'. And yes we do question his every move, because he keeps cocking up and needs to a)be held to account and b) put right the errors and c) not keep making the same mistakes and omissions.

This is not a political debate, it's about the country which comes before and above politics, The reality is

1. we have one of the highest death numbers and rates anywhere in the world
2. our front line workers STILL don't have correct equipment and protection weeks into this
3. they STILL haven't managed to get a testing regime up and running at any scale - despite this being one of the biggest factors in managing spread and having massive resources at their disposal
4. we are STILL letting people fly in in large numbers without proper controls
5. there is no joined guidance about how the 'new' arrangements are to work, with no clear timeline. The onus is now on people to 'be aware' whatever that means. Public health announcements need to be Cristal clear as people need clarity in what they can and cannot do. We are now left in a confusion state of 'am I allowed to do this or not?' There will be another spike and many more will die needlessly.

Yes, we need a plan back to a more free-moving world, where risks are balanced and managed, but this is exactly what is not happening. Left,right or centre we all die the same and if you are a Boris fan and have any sense , you will see that loving Boris is no protection from Boris's arrogance and stupidity (my first para refers).

People have a right to be angry and upset and to criticise a government if they do wish. That’s part of democracy. We are not sheep. Although I am actually amazed at the lack of protest In this country, considering how badly the pandemic has been handled so far. Oh, sorry. I’m not allowed to think that am I?

I'm staying alert like a motherfucker.

This country wants lockdown forever. Anyone who disagrees is accused of murdering a child or a granny

One consequence of this is that the government cannot possibly continue bankrolling people to stay at home. Many people seem deliberately oblivious to the implications for the economy. But that's unsurprising. Because over the last twenty years, the idea that the government should pick up the tab for everything has become entrenched in the UK.

It's really bad.

Agree completely.

Mumsnet has been awful with some really nasty and vicious comments aimed towards the government from a majority left leaning audience.

I also think the media has been a disgrace.

Agree lightlypoached.

I left the UK years ago, and now look aghast at the lack of anger and the apparent acceptance of the UKs governments appalling and incompetent handling of this crisis.
When you read the bewildered foreign reactions to the UKs actions it makes me ashamed to be British. I fear for the safety of my family who still live on the UK. I don’t think there has been anywhere near enough criticism of the government’s actions in any of the press.

or maybe the myth that theres no magic money tree has been exposed...

One thing that people should be angry about is the NHS. Why is the fact hospitals are at half capacity seen as something to celebrate? 2 million operations have been cancelled. The oncologist Karl Sikora is warning that 60,000 people could die as a result of cancelled cancer treatments and diagnoses. Where is the outrage about this?

"Mumsnet has been awful with some really nasty and vicious comments aimed towards the government"

Oh no, did the poor government get its wee feelings hurt?

@Bool there is nothing to say that the herd immunity will actually work with this virus...www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic/amp

It isnt a case of wanting to stay at home, its a case of wanting to return to work safely.

So far no rationale has been given as to why some places can go back and others cant.

"Which @CloudsCoveredTheSky nearly did to a statement I made a few posts later."

If you're going to @ me at least provide evidence of my hysteria and misquoting

Agree with everything bovary has said...

@lavenderbongo don’t be aghast. The majority of people realise what a shit unprecedented situation we are in and whilst we don’t agree with everything the government is doing, they are trying to do what is right with the medics and the scientists. That is why there are not protests on the streets.

@CloudsCoveredTheSky 😂😂😂😂😂😢