Time to move on...

[janeyloves]

I'm sick of lockdown now. My sons exams have been cancelled. The economy is going to shit. Some people I know are unable to get government help and are really struggling. And yet the nightingale hospitals are empty and my uncle who is a consultant in a&e has never been so bored at work....time to get in with life? We can't realistically all wait for a vaccine, can we?

Out of 27,000 deaths 24,000 were over 65s. 45 percent were over 80 i think. Only 355 were in the 15-45 age group.*

You do realised a lot of over 65's make up our workforce? Teachers, nurses and many cover childcare for the younger generation too! - it's not as of over 65 aren't contributing to society and so we can't just behave as they don't contribute when they do!

Look - if this was as simple as lives v economy, with a conservative government, we'd all be out of lockdown already. It's not, so we're not. Fact is, we loosen up now, it will be worse on all fronts in the long run. If this were not the case, Cummings and Murdoch would have us out of lockdown in a heartbeat.

So from your numbers it looks like around 3000 people aged 45 to 65 died

And probably around 3% of population infected, based on various studies

So if we kept the over 65s in jail and let the virus run through the population then 80,000 45 to 65 year old will die ( Pity the penguin age is 67?)

And say 4 times that number needing hospital support

So 320,000 people in hospital critical care, for typically 2 or more weeks each

And that would be over a 6 to 8 week period if we assume infection rates double every week

Do we think the NHS has beds and staff for that number of people being ill at the same time? I think we are a factor 10 or 100 short

I don't believe anyone knows infections rates, how infectious the virus is, how many have already had it etc. Why are the nightingale hospitals empty? Someone got the numbers wrong I think.

Getting numbers timed perfectly right in the face of exponential growth and lots of unknown variables is incredibly tricky.

The nightingales did take some patients , which suggests to me that they were only a a few days to a week away from seriously needing that capacity. in this kind of unstable position, you prepare for that uncertainty

Nope. Deaths per million of population the UK is fourth.
This isn’t the bloody World Cup semi finals where we go out on penalties 🙄
I really didn’t want to win this one

I feel as if our government has no idea of what to do, no imagination to come up with any thoughts of what might be good to try next. All they can do is muddle through.

For one of the most developed/advanced countries in the world - this is not good enough.

@pontypridd you have got that right!

@tabbymunz wow good for you not everyone is enjoying it like you.

No sympathy for anyone who says they are bored. Find something to do then. We aren't doing this for nothing!

I don't believe anyone knows infections rates, how infectious the virus is, how many have already had it etc. Why are the nightingale hospitals empty? Someone got the numbers wrong I think.

If no ones knows much about the virus now, they certainly didn’t in mid-March. In which case how can you say the Government get the numbers “wrong”? They had to plan for a reasonable worst case scenario. It would have taken very little difference in the data that the Government were working with in March for there to have been 2,3 or 4 times the number of cases... and the Nightingales would have been well used.

The nightingales did take some patients , which suggests to me that they were only a a few days to a week away from seriously needing that capacity. in this kind of unstable position, you prepare for that uncertainty

With a R0 of 2.5 over a 5 day period, if we’d waited another week, we’d have had 4 times the patients. and 4 times the deaths...

I took my child to a shop today and then they played with some children from a distance of a metre or so that we met.

I'm seeing lots of other people not bother to follow social distancing so sod it

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@tabbymunzwow good for you not everyone is enjoying it like you"

Of course not, but lots and lots are. I'd say theres a mix.

Trapped “ Or you could think of the families grieving (of which I'm one) and hope that we can get to spend some quality time together to mourn properly instead of having to do it via skype.”

I’m so sorry.

Certainly fewer than unregistered Covid deaths.

Hedgehog44

Such as what? It's been 7 weeks of finding something to do...short of demolishing my house and rebuilding it there's nothing more I can do there, my garden would win prizes for it's tidiness and heaven forbid I dare go to a diy shop or garden centre as I shall be accused of murdering people with my selfishness. So yeah I'm bored and can't wait to get back to work soon (hopefully).

It's a bit sad that as a society we are so unable to do such a small thing such as stay at home. In the UK we just celebrated VE Day which was a war where people lost homes, lives and much more. Think about refugees for which feeling like this but not in the comfort of their own home is their life. People who live in constant war and disease. Their children receive no education. Please please get some perspective - you've got this.

And some people are terrified of losing their jobs and houses, incredibly lonely, struggling to work from home with young children or suicidally depressed, @TabbyMumz

So maybe think before you talk all over another thread about how great lockdown is for you.

Theislands “ Please please get some perspective - you've got this.”

Yes, can’t see friends or family, staring at homelessness, suicidal, yes it’s all good. I got this.

I want back to work as I am exhausted working from home and we need more staff. Unfortunately our company is teetering so furlough of as many staff as possible is essential. I know one person with CV who has been in hospital for weeks and one other local person who has died (also diabetic). Really hacked off with people on furlough who have enjoyed fabulous weather and got their house and garden in pristine condition, please stop boasting!

Friend on mine her dad ended up in hospital with suspected mild stroke. Routinely tested for covid and was +ve. No symptoms at all. Not even a mild temp. Sadly he had a brain bleed and died. Cause of death? Covid 19. There is no way the virus caused his death but they avoided an autopsy by putting it in the certificate.

@MrsArchchancellorRidcully Covid 19 causes abnormal clotting and could very well have been the cause. The doctor who signed the death certificate will have had access to blood test results and is well placed to have made that assessment.

It's one thing to wish the lockdown could be over, but pretending that the pandemic is less of a problem than it is doesn't help anyone.

I don't want to sound like it's all ok and so to relate I will roll out my downside to show that I am in this too - negatives are that we have lost income, are in a 2 bed flat with zero outside space (not even a deck), haven't seen friends and family for 2 months, my own family live on the other side of the world and so no chance of seeing them for a very long time, severe mental health issue as result of lockdown for my father in law and we have an autoimmune disease case plus as asthmatic in our household. Certainly not happy times but I know it could be so much worse having family members that have survived wars and lost it all.

Theislands ah. So pretending “you’ve got this” is how you get through.

I’m trying to “be kind” to people who post trite shite, realising perhaps it’s the only way they can face it. But then I think - please face it, because together we can out pressure on the government to ease lockdown.

Hi Lilac, I'm not up for arguing. So I'll just leave it here x