Time to move on...

[janeyloves]

I'm sick of lockdown now. My sons exams have been cancelled. The economy is going to shit. Some people I know are unable to get government help and are really struggling. And yet the nightingale hospitals are empty and my uncle who is a consultant in a&e has never been so bored at work....time to get in with life? We can't realistically all wait for a vaccine, can we?

I'm tired of all the stories my friends neighbour said he was hit by a bus and they put covid 19 on the death certificate FFS

How are you people getting the death certificate within hours? How are you all getting TESTED when most people in hospital are not?

I would believe these stories if they were actually believable

The death toll for this time if year is above normal something is killing people

The government are not doing themselves their personal investments there savings any favours by trashing the economy

I don't have any hope of a clear plan from the gov tomorrow, they are just bungling through it seems.

People were told that we needed to lockdown in order to slow the spread of the virus. Not to stop the virus, to slow the spread in order to ensure the NHS could cope.

I suspect there are 1000’s similar!

Yes, but there are also stories of people who died with Covid symptoms who weren’t given Covid on the death certificate.

I want to see lockdown eased, albeit carefully, and think we can learn lessons from Sweden on how to socially distance while carrying on as normally as possible (though I’m not saying they’ve got it all sorted).

However, some of the comments on here are dangerous and irresponsible, and are implying we should lift restrictions because that Covid isn’t really very bad at all....

The fact that someone’s friend’s relative died in a care home with Covid infection but no symptoms (of course he could have been pre-symptomatic, as could the person who died with the stroke) means as no more or less than someone’s friend’s son who died aged 19 with no underlying conditions. You can’t extrapolate from either in isolation, any more than it makes sense to say “my granny smoked 20-a-day til she died aged 93... therefore smoking’s not dangerous”.

The death toll for this time if year is above normal something is killing people

It’s been about double... and that’s with lockdown - totally unprecedented by a massive margin.

"Has anyone bothered reading up on corona virus and blood clots?:"
Yes, I picked up on this about 5 weeks ago, but none seems interested. All hung up on vitamin d.

In the states they have started giving patients thrombosis drugs to stop clots in people with covid.

I'm tired of all the stories my friends neighbour said he was hit by a bus and they put covid 19 on the death certificate FFS

Agreed... If I posted “my friend’s 13 year old daughter died from it, so clearly it’s far more deadly that we thought to kids and the Government is hiding information deliberately on this, and that should all lockdown Wuhan style until we have a vaccine in 2021, I’d be rightly told when to go with my scaremongering.... whether or not it was a true story.

It’s the same, but in reverse. for the Covid-minimisers who think that an anecdote from a friend’s neighbour’s cousin is sufficient basis for public policy.

I think there needs to be some easing of restrictions, even if it’s just something very minor, otherwise people will just get fed up and start ignoring the whole thing, with disastrous consequences.
There is already a noticeable increase in traffic, people are going out more, there are more people at beaches, having family round to their houses for barbecues, etc.
People will only stand isolation for so long, especially if they live alone and are not in a high risk group. They will look at all the unused hospital capacity and wonder what the problem is.

Interesting tabby, remember before lock down when it was recommended to take paracetamol not aspirin or ibuprofen.
Covid toes have also been put down to blood clots.
This disease finds quite novel ways to damage and kill people.
More research and more time is needed.

We need a sensible plan to get out of this situation. Maybe even a coherent strategy.

I think lockdown is a one time only thing. I think we need to gradually emerge from it and learn to live with the virus and the additional risks and healthcare challenges it brings.

@imsooverthisdrama

"If Boris doesn't give a clear exit plan tomorrow then he can fuck off then , I'm driving dc to the park etc ."
You can drive to the park and then take your DC in it to exercise (walk, cycle, run) anyway. You just have to exercise for longer than it takes to drive there according to guidance.

Completely agree.

We need to move from a "one size fits all" approach. So rather than telling everyone to stay at home etc, the advice needs to change. Those of us who are fit and healthy, and whose children are fit and healthy, should be encouraged to get out and about, back to work, back to school, keeping the economy going. Paying tax to fund people who have no alternative but to shield for serious underlying health issues.

Lockdown is hard. I have small children missing out on school and their friends, my mum lives just around the corner but I can't go in and see her. My partner is furloughed giving us no certainty about the future. When the NHS gets the second wave and cannot cope, meaning thousands more will die, doctors have difficult decisions to make over who gets the ventilator, then all those breaking the rules now will be responsible.
That would be a disaster.
Lockdown must continue until its safe to ease restrictions. I would rather be in lockdown than witness someone I love dying. You can't bring all these people back, please think of the families grieving and stick with it.

please think of the families grieving and stick with it

Or you could think of the families grieving (of which I'm one) and hope that we can get to spend some quality time together to mourn properly instead of having to do it via skype.

Yeah I've been told @NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite but I just felt it wasn't necessary if I can walk locally but yeah it's needed now .

trapped I’m so sorry that you had to do that. In my opinion it’s completely unacceptable. To not be able to hold loved ones while grieving is barbaric

While I appreciate that you're fed up with the lockdown, it has definitely reduced the number of deaths. For which I thank you (as a shielding person). The deaths though are still pretty high, so please be patient a bit longer. The last thing we need is for the deaths to peak again.

To not be able to hold loved ones while grieving is barbaric

No. To hold loved ones and for them to die as a consequence is worse.

Italy's carehome deaths from Covid are 6773 and are included in the statistics. That number however is still only up to the 14/4.
Has the backlog of reporting caught up in the UK yet?

No. To hold loved ones and for them to die as a consequence is worse

Righto. I'll just tell my dad who's alone in the house without the woman he was married to for 57 years that it could be worse then shall I? I'm sure it'll cheer him right up.

Hey I'm sorry for your loss but Skype is better than a headstone wouldn't you say?
I am hoping restrictions with regards to family members can be relaxed but this is what it is. No one should grieve alone but if it results in more family members dead I know what I'd choose.

"What makes people think another 3 weeks of lockdown is going to make any difference?" next time they are explaining what lockdown is for listen more carefully.

@Kcnana

"I'm totally fed up, my mental health is on its knees. It feels like we've sacrificed so much unjustifiably as the consequence of these restrictions will cut deeper than the virus itself."
Good job you weren't around for WW2 if you think we've all sacrificed so much.

@Polkadotties
"saw a death cert at work the other day for someone in their 90s.Cause one was covid 19. Cause two were t2 diabetes, obesity, hypertension, breast cancer and a couple of other things that I can’t remember."
So, are you saying Covid-19 was listed as the actual cause of death and type 2 diabetes, obesity, hypertension and breast cancer were listed as contributory factors? I'm not sure what your point is?

Type 2 diabetes isn't usually a primary cause of death in itself (unless the patient goes into a diabetic coma due to lack of control of glucose).

People live for years and years with high BP. Ditto obesity.

Unless Breast Cancer has metastasised it doesn't follow that you'll die from it. It could be at an early stage and able to be treated by surgery and/or radiotherapy.

If a person had all those issues except covid-19, they could live for years. If they then have Covid-19 and die, it is the Covid-19 that has caused their death.

To not be able to hold loved ones is heartbreaking. For family members having to ring staff members to pass their goodbyes on via txt. I’ve never experienced anything like it.
It is crucial though as it puts staff as well as other patients at risk also.

Well given that 3 of us attended her funeral 4 weeks ago and not been anywhere since (except shopping) and are still fine and healthy, I'd say our chances of infecting each other are slim. The chances of my dads MH deteriorating because of his loneliness is a lot higher so I know what I'd choose for him.