Disgusted at VE celebrations

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I absolutely cannot believe what went on last night in this country.

The government should never have encouraged this nonsense and instead should have firmly nipped the idea of celebration completely in the bud.

Absent Boris should have never implied lockdown will be eased on Monday a couple of days before a fucking sunny VE Day bank holiday when we still have 5,000 plus new cases every day.

It isn't rocket science.

I am absolutely appalled.

We'll meet again, don't know where......... (on a covid ward)
Don't know when........ (about 5-10 days from now)

(Stolen from twitter)

Honestly the idiocy, all the people thinking well that's up to them serves them right can't you see that it does impact on others? Because it's a virus 🤦🏻‍♀️
Many of these people will go into work on Monday.
Go to the supermarkets
Go to the chemist
They might see a district nurse or their grandchildren.
Not to mention all the NHS staff they're going to put at risk once they do end up needing their help.
And now they'll think fuck it and keep meeting others. They'll do this while shedding the virus and before they're symptomatic. It's bloody insane.

The R rate will go back up and then we'll be back to square one.

Yanbu op, it's shite.

When we look back we will realise we have killed far more people indirectly of curable diseases and preventable deaths than we have ‘saved’ by locking down.

There will be a public enquiry into the actions the government took during the crisis and more importantly why they took them.

We'll meet again, don't know where......... (on a covid ward)
Don't know when........ (about 5-10 days from now)

From having a street party outside. Right. It's like so many people actually want the sky to fall in so they can have something to puff up about - I'm morally superior, therefore above all those chavs.

I think Bovary some people just cannot see past COVID. Everything ceases to exist. Everything* has to be forsaken and if you don’t agree with that - your a murderer^

What I think is really peculiar is the refusal to acknowledge the cost of lockdown. Its impact is going to have far reaching consequences. One of those is a logjam in the NHS. The other is that multiple industries are facing an existential threat unlike any in recent memory. Also, there is a limit to how long any government in a Western liberal democracy can impose house arrest. I think as it gets warmer, it will become increasingly impossible to enforce it. As for a return to normality? That is looking increasingly unlikely. Covid is here to stay. And that's a bummer for all of us, wherever we are in the world.

@BovaryX I've been following a Professor Sikora on Twitter for a while now and he's the last person you can accuse of scaremongering. He points out the positives each day and so if he's worried then there's very good reason for the rest of us to worry.

Personally I think the government wanted to put off social distancing as long as they could because they did appreciate that tolerance only lasts so long (as do the finances to support it). However, they were also facing insurmountable pressure to act...

Everything about this whole disease is about the right balances, but it is it made harder by the lack of detailed knowledge about the virus itself, its true prevalence, and our ability to treat it.
It is an emergency situation in as much as a single room fire is an emergency situation... until you know the precise nature of the fire, you have no idea if you'll be able to contain it, put it out, or if it might spread rapidly and how it might spread. There are so many factors and decisions that have to be made there and then - time is of the essence.

It's not the best analogy, but it's not a million miles from the truth either.
People will argue why there weren't more fire extinguishers, or smoke alarms... but then discover the water based extinguishers would have been the wrong type anyway, and that this type of fire didn't produce so much smoke.
I truly don't Envy the government at all.

When we look back we will realise we have killed far more people indirectly of curable diseases and preventable deaths than we have ‘saved’ by locking down. There will be a public enquiry into the actions the government took during the crisis and more importantly why they took them

I absolutely agree with this, M

@PinkSparklyPussyCat. Yes. He is trying to warn because he can see that these policies are going to have serious repercussions.

I share BovaryX's concern.
We all want to save lives now. It's instinctive...

but, imagine the terrorist bomb situation, or war zone... it can be instinctive to tend to the worst casualties, but it can be more effective to tend to the lesser injured who COULD get worse without treatment.
Over the longer term, you save more lives this way, as you didn't waste as much time on lost causes.

Now I am in no way advocating 'lets abandon a load of people', but I am saying that a massively hit economy will mess up healthcare for decades which MIGHT result in even more lost lives.

The choices that any government has to make really aren't as simple as 'whatever it costs to save lives right now'... it's far more difficult.

What @TinRoofRusty? We're not talking about people who were respectfully honouring those who'd lost their lives and commemorating VE Day, who did it from their own drives or outside their property at a distance.
The pictures are all over the newspapers and social media of the many who just used it as an excuse for a piss up who completely lost sight of what the day was the fact we're in the middle of a pandemic.

What is 'morally superior' about that?

Sadly the attitude of many people seems to be only Covid is important, anything else is collateral damage.

but it is it made harder by the lack of detailed knowledge about the virus itself, its true prevalence, and our ability to treat it

I agree. It is a novel virus and its impact on people is so variable. Some exhibit hardly any symptoms and recover, others become seriously ill. I saw an interview with a NY doctor who said it has an impact on the ability of the blood to clot and this can trigger strokes. It can remain asymptomatic for up to a week. This means someone who is contagious doesn't know it. It affects people from ethnic backgrounds more seriously. Why? Am I worried about it? Yes. It's a blasted bloody virus.

Those chavs, Ginger, but what's it to you, they'll all be dead in a month, surely? Doom! They should have stayed indoors wearing hair shirts and sobbing.

Bovary that article was published on 22nd April. 2 weeks ago. Around about the time that oncology clinics were starting to run at capacity, having continued to run with some capacity throughout the crisis.
Show me some evidence based research published yesterday and I’ll allow myself to be convinced by your sneery attitude . ( And make sure the source isn’t ITV news 😂)

When we look back we will realise we have killed far more people indirectly of curable diseases and preventable deaths than we have ‘saved’ by locking down.

This is a trickier argument. We aren't sure how many lives we've saved yet and may never know.
The lockdown will cost lives. Will it have cost more, or less than those we've saved. That's the million dollar question.

It's akin to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki deaths. Unnecessary, or did it save more lives in the long run. We still don't know.

They should have stayed indoors wearing hair shirts and sobbing

I’m not sure either alcohol fuelled mass gathering or “stay indoors wearing hair shirts and sobbing” are the only options for people with even a modicum of intelligence....

Of course not, Marie, but these people whom you deem brainless will all be instantly killed next month so probably best to start picking another target to bash.

Of course not, Marie, but these people whom you deem brainless will all be instantly killed next month so probably best to start picking another target to bash

Not my words 🤷‍♀️

I mean it isn’t hard to follow the rules, they’re very clear. One could be forgiven therefore for making a correlation between intelligence and some of yesterday’s “celebrations”.

@Lemonblast my husband’s oncology clinic is rammed - he is very busy having to tell people their surgery is postponed.

Show me some evidence based research published yesterday and I’ll allow myself to be convinced by your sneery attitude . ( And make sure the source isn’t ITV news 😂)

No matter when it was published, I'm sure Professor Sikora knows slightly more than a random on the internet, even if he did speak to ITV news!

Remember - if Boris eases restrictions, it is not because it's all getting better, it's because they have a space for you in ICU.

( And make sure the source isn’t ITV news 😂

I am glad you think this amusing. You are seriously claiming that cancer treatment and diagnoses are back to normal two weeks after an oncologist highlighted a collapse in patient numbers? You know, something about people like you who sneer at the source rather than addressing the actual information really bores me. Google your own Guardian link. Alternatively, just stick your fingers in your ears and chant la la la.

The other thing about lives saved is that if lockdown is to prevent overwhelming the NHS, and most people will have to catch it at some point, surely there is only two demographics who are saved - those who caught it during the peak that wouldn’t have had the infection been more spread out, and those who will survive with hospital treatment but not survive without it.

Those chavs, Ginger, but what's it to you, they'll all be dead in a month, surely? Doom! They should have stayed indoors wearing hair shirts and sobbing.

It won't be them that pay the price though will it? it will those they pass the virus on to.
I just can't think of a more ironic way to acknowledge the sacrifices our elders made than to potentially sacrifice everbody's health over a few too many drinks.

too ignorant to acknowledge that it’s the very generation who gained peace and freedom 75 years ago who are now dying in their thousands in our care homes

THIS ^

Totally this.

The people who fought those wars, struggled with bombs and rationing, worked to establish an NHS and a country where there is a social safety net for the weak and the sick are now effectively being discarded because they aren't needed any longer.

It's bloody disgusting!