Disgusted at VE celebrations

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I absolutely cannot believe what went on last night in this country.

The government should never have encouraged this nonsense and instead should have firmly nipped the idea of celebration completely in the bud.

Absent Boris should have never implied lockdown will be eased on Monday a couple of days before a fucking sunny VE Day bank holiday when we still have 5,000 plus new cases every day.

It isn't rocket science.

I am absolutely appalled.

d start by looking at areas where it’s least been affected and open them up first.

Increasing testing, tracing and quarantining will help to identify areas that have less cases and lift lockdown measures accordingly. As I saw a public health professional say outbreaks happen in pockets across the country.

Forget it being about the government the thing is lockdown is not a cure. lockdown for 6 months and when is end you start a new cycle off infections and deaths .
Lockdown will also cause many deaths not related to lockdown.
It was the media who got carried away with end off lockdown .

The governments job is to run the country not wipe people arses . MANY MANY people celebrated VE observing the restrictions.
A massive chunk of our socitey will not follow the rules the rules are there .
these people have no respect or public responsibility it is the fault of individuals not the government .

Near us on the open space on prom was one of loveliest things I have see in a long time the was an old couple mid to late 70's both of them dressed in wartime army uniform dancing to 1940's music on there own in the sunset having the time of there life . fully observing the rules
It's not there or our fault that people aren't responsible .

China about to have a second wave just to prove lockdown doesn't cure it you can't lockdown forever. People are deluded thinking it solves it
the slogan should of been STAY AT HOME SLOW DEATHS the stay at home save live makes people think it is a cure . This is the harsh reality of it there is no silver bullet or magic wand for this .

I totally agree with you OP, and the comments made by Monkeytoes. It's all just a ploy to get the "herd immunity" going, while saying it's our own fault for not abiding by the rules.

If the government gave a toss, they would have locked down properly, and much earlier.

cushioncovers THIS. Exactly what you've said. You've hit the nail on the head there.

@amijustparanoidorjuststoned, interesting you say this, so may I ask do you not believe in the govt trying to improving testing, tracing and quarantining capacity as I talked about above as an alternative strategy to letting natural herd immunity take place over the next two years or less? If we let 60 - 80% of the population get infected and no treatments are developed over the next year or so to at least mean the virus doesn’t cause severe disease in some then even with a low mortality rate there are going to be a lot more deaths and they are bad enough already.

I love the older people in my family, friends with underlying conditions and I myself am chronically ill so I don’t relish the prospect of natural herd immunity where I or loved ones have a greater chance of not making it or having our illnesses made worse. I want the govt to try the testing, tracing and quarantining strategy. When it’s in place in a few weeks if the govt do it well - a big if with this govt - lockdown can be lifted as I know it needs to be but we need a few more weeks.

Are you outraged about VE Day in general, or the fact lockdown was being broken? Because to be honest there’s been some other examples of blatant rule breaking. One being ambulances, police and high profile people appearing on London Bridge during the Thursday clap for the NHS.

@rwalker, I will ask you too do you not want the govt to try and implement a good testing, tracing and quarantining strategy in the next few weeks and then lift lockdown in June?

Outbreaks always happen in pockets... it's never a uniform outbreak spread nice and evenly because we have different population densities, different working practices, sociological factors etc.

In theory, sure, you have different restrictions in different regions, but there can be unintended consequences to that too. It really doesn't take long for a community in the North East feeling resentful of a community in Cornwall, or accusations of favouritism towards a pharmaceutical in Cambridge over a car plant in Liverpool.

I'm not saying it's a bad strategy to have different restrictions in different areas, but nothing is particularly 'blindingly obvious' at the moment.

Can't believe the number of people that are blaming the government because a significant number of people are unable to follow simple instructions. Yes, the actions of some people yesterday could possibly set us right back, but no, you can't blame Boris (unless you''re one of those half-wits that thinks that everything is always someone else's fault).

I don’t really get this argument that we shouldn’t be worried about the number of cases going up, it’s only because we are testing more people now so of course there’s more cases being reported. So yay let’s end lockdown.

And yes there were probably a lot more cases previously, it’s just that we didn’t know about them.

The point is we DO know about them now - and there seems to be quite a lot of them still. Shouldn’t we be using this more accurate reporting of cases to perhaps make us think twice about being too hasty?

I think the issue with VE day is that it gave the nation an opportunity (or excuse) to gather and increase the risk of spreading infection.

Of course there are countless incidents of folks breaching the guidelines, often with the greatest of intentions, sometimes not, but on a national level, even with 95% doing their best to keep it safe, 5% would fail to do so. 5% at a national level is a lot. A foreseeable lot.

Outbreaks always happen in pockets... it's never a uniform outbreak spread nice and evenly because we have different population densities, different working practices, sociological factors etc.

@VerticalHorizon, I release outbreaks are always in pockets. I wrote it as I think there are a fair few who don’t consider this. I also know there are no guarantees locking down or lifting in specific areas would work.

@PuppyMonkey, agree with you.

Isn't anyone bored of being disgusted by other people's behaviour yet? It must be exhausting always being angry.

#respect

@PuppyMonkey

Yes agree . We had to go to a funeral this week unfortunately caused by the virus and in an area not supposed to be particularly badly hit. I can tell you there was hearse after hearse waiting to come in and that is without the fact that many are doing direct cremations now with no ceremony. It certainly bought it home to me . Everyone a family suffering .

Face to face oncology clinics including diagnostic procedures have been ongoing for weeks now. People have still been getting chemotherapy throughout the crisis.
Now the health service has to plan and deliver services safely again alongside delivering healthcare for COVID positive patients.
Please stop scare mongering about millions of people dying from cancer and suggesting that services have ground to a halt.

Guylan herd immunity cannot be considered a visble ‘solution’ until there is evidence ( and not just hearsay) that an initial Covid 19 infection provides individual immunity. We don’t have definitive evidence of that yet.

Do people think that idiots ignoring lockdown are suddenly not going to be idiots? It’s pretty impossible to get a 100% lockdown. There are people uneducated in the risks, or who just don’t care. It would mean putting police on every street corner to enforce it, and we just don’t have the resources to do that. All we can do is rely on the majority of sensible people to continue to follow the rules. You cannot argue with stupid, and you’re wasting your breath trying.

@Lemonblast

I suggest you read the words of this UK oncologist. The UK already has some of the worst cancer survival rates in the developed world. What do you imagine two months of cancelled treatment and a draconian reduction in patients is going to do to those statistics?

^Cancer doesn’t care about coronavirus. It’s a relentless evil and it requires constant vigilance to even slow the spread. In a usual April, we would normally see around 30,000 people diagnosed with cancer. I would be surprised if that number reaches 5,000 this month. Coronavirus will steal the headlines, but cancer kills 450 people a day in the UK - there is no peak and the numbers aren’t coming down. Unless we act urgently, that number will rise. A group of oncologists, including myself, estimate that 60,000 cancer patients could die because of a lack of treatment or diagnosis. It’s absolutely right to stop the treatment for some cancers in the face of coronavirus. The immunosuppressive effects of the treatment would put the patient at risk as their immune system is significantly weakened.
But for others, a delay of more than a month would have a negative impact on the future prognosis^

www.itv.com/news/2020-04-22/60-000-cancer-patients-could-die-because-of-lack-of-treatment-or-diagnosis-oncologist-on-coronavirus-dilemma/

@Lemonblast
Reporting what an oncologist states about the sharp reduction in attendance of cancer patients isn't scare mongering. Are you suggesting this news should be suppressed? Are you saying that the oncologist is lying about the situation?

It's alway very sensible and civil and well behave in my road. No mixing or celebrations.

But generally we have no police in our area. The lowest per population in the UK I heard recently. So how can it be enforced? When I very rarely go out I dont see ANY police. I haven't seen any at all since lockdown.

Nobody thinks idiots will stop being idiots...

If you have a strict lockdown, a certain percentage will break it.
If you loosen the lockdown, a certain percentage more will break it.

If you have street parties across the nation, the cumulative number of idiots will have a cumulatively negative effect.

It is no different than accepting if you open up a bar, you will get someone abusing the privilege. Open up 1000 bars and you'll get more incidents of abuse.

I think Bovary some people just cannot see past COVID. Everything ceases to exist. ^Everything* has to be forsaken and if you don’t agree with that - your a murderer.

Some people are terror stricken and they want the ‘new normal’

This is the reason they didn’t impose social isolation sooner, some people will tolerate it for only a limited time.