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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 39

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CrunchyCarrot · 05/05/2020 21:36

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Keepdistance · 10/05/2020 19:36

Nettle thats really tough you dont want fil to get it (too?) and that is doubling the chance.
I guess it delends maybe on her quality of life vs his. But bear in mind thats how the care homes got it by taking hospital patents back.
But without an antibody test she would otherwise never be able to come back.

I didnt see which school years

Inkpaperstars · 10/05/2020 19:40

@OldQueen1969

I don't think there was any indication that you can exercise with people from outside your own household.

You can go outside for exercise as much as you like, not just once a day. You can also sit down outside so technically not just for exercise. You can play sports provided only with people in your own household (actually this is not a change as far as I know, we already could). You should keep social distancing from anyone who passes by not in your household.

Saucery · 10/05/2020 19:40

Reception, Yr1 and Yr6, Keepdistance. ‘Exam years’ in secondary, so Yrs 10 and 12.

Inkpaperstars · 10/05/2020 19:42

Try not to get the bus, train or underground, because that’s a choice you make due to the fact that’s such a lovely way to travel.

So much this.

Keepdistance · 10/05/2020 19:55

No mention of masks in schools or public transport?

Im not sure why yr r or 1 or 6 really.
All i can think is they dont really need to be taught anything.
Because yr r eyfs stuff is done in may
Yr 1 not doing phonic test
Yr 6 leaving.
So i suspect many people may keep them off as they arent learning anyway so only childcare.
Yr r and 1 can play outside a lot often i think yr 1 also has outdoor space.

Focusanddetermination · 10/05/2020 19:55

Saucery that's exactly what he said, in plain English

OldQueen1969 · 10/05/2020 20:02

@Inkpaperstars

Cheers - think I'm a bit baffled by the idea that people can go out for unlimited exercise but this will surely mean more people out and about for more time so the odds on even unintentional mixing increase. Or do we all just ignore each other or stiffly wave and hurry away if we see people we know? Curbing the human instinct to "socialise" in such circumstances is quite hard.....

Saucery · 10/05/2020 20:05

It’s neatly forcing another peak. The people who have to go to work and the people who don’t flocking to parks etc to mix in a socially distant way that won’t be socially distant at all.

mrshoho · 10/05/2020 20:09

did you notice he said you can travel as far as you like to exercise as well. I can just see the masses hitting the coastal town and beaches now they've been given the nod 🙈 And Snowden here we go again!

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2020 20:18

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
Initial problems for govt this week

— huge debate over why it is safe for blue collar workers to return to work but not white collar workers

— blue collar workers told to go to work but not take public transport...

— Scotland, Wales, NI publicly diverging from No10 messaging

Also practical questions over quarantine

— only applies to people travelling by air
— France exempt
— what if someone travelled from elsewhere in Europe to France then hopped on the Eurostar to London?

Saucery · 10/05/2020 20:18

Those poor people in areas of natural beauty, mrshoho. They don’t want or need an influx of visitors just yet. Even if cafes and pubs are still closed the footfall in say, a little Lakeland village is going to be so dangerous.

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2020 20:20

Also you can sit 2 metres away from a colleague, but you not allowed to sit 2 metres away from your friends / family cos its not safe.

Farce.

Purpleheadgirl · 10/05/2020 20:21

Year 6 is because they are transitioning to secondary school in september and have missed all sats tests due from tomorrow, so secondary schools at least will be testing in september I imagine. Those in secondary with exams next year, so years 10 and 12, they hope to have some time back in school before september...

HeIenaDove · 10/05/2020 20:22

Yes There is another bank hol on the 25th. Just 2 weeks time.

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2020 20:24

Sam Coates Sky @SamCoatesSky
Additional details from gvt source about Boris Johnson speech

- Unlimited outdoor exercise includes angling, golf, water sports and tennis provided all socially distanced from Wednesday

- Yoh can drive to a park or beach in England but not Wales / Scotland

Additional details from gvt source about Boris Johnson speech

- Primary school reception, year 1 and year 6 will be first in line to return from June 1 if the conditions allow. Other primary pupils hopefully back before summer

- School’s out for secondary pupils except ....

Additional details from gvt source about Boris Johnson speech

- Year 10 and 12 pupils in secondary schools facing exams next year will get some contact time

- Quarantine is a few weeks away and will be 14 days

Additional details from gvt source about Boris Johnson speech

- The kinds of places that might open in phase 3 include places of worship and socially distanced cinemas

Additional details from gvt source about Johnson speech

- Previously in theory you could have gone for a jog and one other person from another household cd have jogged at 2m socially distanced

- From Wed in theory if u wanted to sit socially distanced on a bench outside u can

Saucery · 10/05/2020 20:25

Oh, I can have 6 unrelated 4 yr olds climbing all over me in 3 weeks time, but it’s not safe for me to go and sit in an adult sibling’s garden.

Farce indeed.

HeIenaDove · 10/05/2020 20:27

Ah but going to see friends and family doesnt make any money Red.

mrshoho · 10/05/2020 20:28

It's a disaster in waiting Saucery. I wonder if this means all politicians, celebs etc have the go ahead to escape to their holiday homes for the long Summer leaving the rest of us to get back to work?

And as for all the workers who have been told get back to work but not on public transport? Yet in London construction and other people have never stopped using the tube???

Saucery · 10/05/2020 20:32

Ha yes, mrshoho you’re probably right with the second home thing.

I know of one little village that is keeping itself going, all its residents pulling together, local shop diversified to offer a range of foods so no one has to go further afield to a bigger supermarket.
If tourists go flooding back to it it will be devastated by Covid 19. It’s within day trip distance of the North West rising hotspot for cases. Sickening.

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2020 20:35

www.itv.com/news/2020-05-10/it-is-all-about-the-r-writes-robert-peston/?fbclid=IwAR3BJEJx591EowlRUCc9utUzyuyy_EyyINFbAUoYCGS_GTaOoB9qMxEDe3w
Why Boris Johnson's coronavirus lockdown update is all about the R number - the reproduction number of Covid-19

So what were the gaps? Here are a couple:

1) We don't know how the financial incentive to stop work, to stay home and save lives - the £40bn job retention scheme that pays people to cease engaging in economic activity - will be changed so that it becomes rational for employers and employees to turn on the commercial ignition switch;

2) We don't yet have a finely calibrated system to tell us precisely what the rate of viral transition is for the UK as a whole, let alone for individual nations, or regions, or localities, and until we do we will be stumbling slightly precariously in the dark as economic and social activity very slowly resumes (the PM today says the R is in the range of 0.5 to 0.9, which does not suggest that the boffins have a high degree of confidence in the current monitoring arrangements).

and

As for letting us all know how risky it is to step outside the front door, the government's ambition is for the ONS survey of the spread and prevalence of the virus, coupled with data harvested with the NHSX's viral alert app, to generate separate R values initially for individual nations, then in succeeding weeks for regions and finally for our respective local areas.

In theory you will be able to look up the R for Bognor or Arbroath in the way you can currently check the pollen count.

And when that happens, the government should be able to take evasive action at the local rather than national level, to protect the freedoms and health of the majority at the temporary cost of a return to lockdown for the few.

Or to put it another way, whether five and six-year-olds return to school on June 1, and more shops open then, and secondary school pupils facing exams get some face-to-face help, and whether any kind of hospitality businesses are allowed to open in some modified way in July, all of that will be dependent on the R - on the rate of transmission staying safely below 1.

Which is logically coherent, given that when R is less than 1, the incidence of the illness will be diminishing.

But whether it will work in practice depends on a whole host of imponderables, most notably whether the government really can in just a few weeks create its new “Covid Alert System” run by a “Joint Biosecurity Centre” that is robust and reliable at determining in real time how many of us have the virus, rather than with the very serious lags that prevail today.

We are pinning our hopes on the technical competence of the government to tell the difference between its Rs and its elbow.

babychange12 · 10/05/2020 20:45

This sentence about sums it up for me...

We are pinning our hopes on the technical competence of the government to tell the difference between its Rs and its elbow.

babychange12 · 10/05/2020 20:49

This is just herd immunity by stealth

EmeraldShamrock · 10/05/2020 20:50

The self praise in his speech was cringe.
I'm shocked how does he expect people to get to work safely.
It is all about money. Considering the amount they're going to save with pensions from abandoned elderly deaths, they can afford more time.
We've survived recessions in the past. Life has a price and it is cheap. Sad

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