‘School will have to look different from now on’....

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‘With a mix of home schooling and in-school learning’

So said Nicola Sturgeon.

So how does this work for a single parent trying to work full time from home with a full on job who needs to pay the mortgage. Literally how does this work?

I have no idea how (I am a teacher) teachers can teach all day with the planning and preparation that goes with that and also teach online lessons with the work that goes into that too. Along with personal childcare arrangements if they are doing the phased return classes as suggested

Smaller classes with consistent kids and teachers.

It's the 'consistent' part that seems to be important in keeping safe. If we've been told not to mix households and there are suggestions of widening only to a slightly larger 'bubble' based on need to see people from outside the household.

It's been categorically said that there will be some sort of 'phased' return to schools, but I don't see how teachers can all continue to be face to face with all of the students they usually come across on their timetable. I teach RE, which is an hour a week at KS3, so I have nearly all of them in those three year groups. This is a nightmare for parents evening or reports, but here it's dangerous.

In terms of viral load, you are better limiting the number of people you come into contact with. If you mix with lots of people, you are more likely to get more ill.

But that doesn't mean I can keep one set of thirty kids in my classroom all day and tech them Spanish or Art any better than their parents might be able to. Their education wouldn't be benefiting, but we'd all be mixing anyway, transmitting the virus.

Hmm, yes, it seems to mostly be parents commenting, which isn't surprising as it's a questionnaire for parents/carers. I can see a few comments about teachers but it's unclear if they're all from teachers or mostly from parents or what.

I do wonder why teachers and school staff aren't also being asked their opinion in this way.

As I said before, I have read plenty of comments on here from parents saying they won't send their children back until a vaccine/September/"it's safe". But who's to say what any of us will do when it comes down to it?

I would say the majority of healthy teachers, based on all the teachers I know personally and have seen post on here, will go back to working in school full-time when schools fully reopen. But that is assuming there will be some measures in place to help, like those for other jobs already working "normally". I can't speak for those with health issues or who have family with health issues, as I am fortunate to have neither and am already in school every week.

19k 40-60yo will die to get to 60% immunity even with lockdowns keeping it from exceeding nhs.
And that isnt even including all the ventilated and oxygenated/hospitalised people.
So whilst individual risk may be relatively low. Thats still a lot of parents/teachers key worker s.
And teachers/parents in the vulnerable group are not protected including pregnant people.
But the leaked gov document suggests they work from home where possible. That is a looong way from sending your kid in to b e linked to thousands of loical families.

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It's not "polarising", it's not wanting to do what you want to do. It's free choice.

You do you, I'll do me.

@picsinred how is it natural for 20- 30 kids to sit all day together and learn together?

Talk to anyone about their school days. Most people hated them, many people were bullied severely. They are being bullied, because it is not natural to cage that many teenagers together for that long.

In my own schooling, I remember thinking what a waste of the day it was. I would sit in large classes all day, and every class would be ruined by other teenagers messing, playing jokes, disrupting the work. Why were they doing that - again because it is not natural to cage teenagers in a place where they can't leave , all day.

Why should children and teenagers be sitting anywhere, where they can't leave all day. It is not normal or natural! It breaks a himan right, and has caused no end of problems for children and teenagers

@PicsInRed that’s not how society works though is it ... you doing you, may well kill me .. so no I’d rather you wait until it’s safe to return and given the government is currently paying you to stay in sit the fuck back down

It's not "polarising", it's not wanting to do what you want to do.

You don't seem to know what I want to do. You seem to think I want to shut myself away. Which is wrong. I don't and I go out (whilst abiding by lockdown rules).

I do want to have a balanced view which acknowledges positives as well as negatives. Are you saying you don't want to have a balanced view? You actually want to be biased, Pic?

@Keepdistance We are asking people to pretty much drop down dead (ie be prepared to die within 3w)

You might do well to look at the graphs on the BBC today. Under 60 you are less likely or no more likely to die from Covid-19 than you are from any other cause in the next year. 342 under 45’s have died compared to 28,000 over 65’s. The risk is minimal for most parents and children. You’re not asking people to go and die!

Does anyone else think that the old school system was very inhumane.

Why should children and teenagers be caged in anywhere all day, where they are not allowed to leave? It was like a prison.

I was just looking at articles online,
"Teenagers ask why schools are like prisons.
One teenager said "Why is school like prison? We don’t have any freedom here. The teachers just order us around, and tell us what to do, and if we do anything they don’t like, we get punished for it.” The others agreed with him, and gave other examples as well: no input in the kind of work that was assigned, a lack of choice for with whom they would work on projects, an expectation that they would be silent in the halls, being told when they could use the bathroom or sharpen their pencil"

I personally remember in school, as a teenager, not even being able to go to the bath room when I wanted to.

The way that we used to treat children and teenagers was disgusting

@Annamarie14 it’s why a significant number of them don’t go, it’s not fit for purpose. Have you seen the mock court where the lawyer argues it’s a complete waste of time

@Chrissiekeller61, no I haven't seen it. Do you have a link? Thanks

Sturgeon is an idiot newsflash?

AnnaMaria sorry you had a bad time at school, but that certainly isn’t how it is for everyone. School doesn’t break a human right, however much you didn’t like it.

That’s not to say the education system isn’t fucked, it is, I think exams are especially awful. But it doesn’t break a human right, that’s extremely strong.

you doing you, may well kill me

Stay home then. Your choice.

@catsandlavender I didn't say that I had a bad time at school. Just that I thought it was a very inefficent way of learning, how can 20 - 30 teenagers in one room, where they are not allowed to leave, be a good way of learning for anyone.

Everyone that I talk to, hated their school days. Hated them.
I have met people in all walks of life, through work, groups, hobbies, who hated their school days.

My father was a broken man from being severely bullied in a private school. He never recovered, he was anxious all his lofe. and he committed suicide.

I have met so many people that said they were bullied so severely in school, that it has ruined their life to this day. These are people in their thirtes and forties.

Many teenagers in my local area commit suicide because of bullying.

What annoys me is that the school system was let run as long it was, despite the many, many people self harming and killing themselves from bullying

@catsandlavender lets look at one issue.

Do you think not being able to go to the bathroom when you want to ,and having to ask permission, breaks a human right?

Right and statistically how likely is it that you'll drop down dead?

Depends on your age and health status. I am less concerned about dying as I am about spending weeks in hospital critically ill. And then potential long term effects, as yet unknown. I am worried about bringing the virus home (something that should concern all parents) to my high risk child. But mainly I don’t want my children left without a mother, however statistically unlikely that is, there is still a risk. We are playing roulette with school staff lives.

And when I talk about risk, I see it like this.

I take a risk crossing the road but I know there is a risk so I take necessary precautions by looking both ways and crossing when safe to do so.

If I teach 200 kids a day, 32 at a time in a space meant for 25, without a face mask, gloves or any other PPE, knowing there is no soap in the school toilets....then I am running across 6 lanes of the M25 at 8am on a Monday morning.

@Annamaria14 I work in early years so if I don’t let a kid go to the loo then they will wet themselves. However I’ve also had children who can’t go to the bathroom unless there’s a TA free to supervise them because they will hurt other children in the bathroom. I can’t say it’s a blanket thing, and it’s certainly not in the treaty of human rights.

If you’re saying “just wait 5 minutes until I’ve finished the input” to a 10 year old.. that’s fine. If you’re making a child of any age wait for absolutely ages then that’s unacceptable. It’s not black and white. Also I’ve had this conversation about 500 times with parents

@Annamaria14 also I can’t just let children go off down the corridor without them asking, I need to know where they are in case there’s a fire alarm, anyway this is a massive derailing!

There are 1761 40-59yo.
Now even a minimum of 6x (if we went with 10% immune) is 10566 in that age range. And bear in mind schools were only open 4w of the last 11. Certainly many teachers and secondary parents in that age range.

I suspect people saying uts all fine are under 40 with no health issues. 17m people,apparently in the vulnerable category

Not read the whole thread but I know I couldn't have home schooled teenagers!
I'm not bright enough myself to teach science or maths for starters and my own sons work used to baffle me beyond year 7 . You also need qualifications for absolutely everything these days.

I hated school but I knew I had to go.
leaving it was the best day ever but how I wished I'd tried harder! It was the 70s and 80s though and anyone from a council estate as I was was lucky to get a basic education. I was lucky not to be bullied ; no idea why , maybe I was more assertive than I remember!