‘School will have to look different from now on’....

[Starrynightsabove]

‘With a mix of home schooling and in-school learning’

So said Nicola Sturgeon.

So how does this work for a single parent trying to work full time from home with a full on job who needs to pay the mortgage. Literally how does this work?

Why deluded?

@TrustTheGeneGenie

You’ve made up a set of teachers in your head that want to be paid for being at home and doing nothing. If you read the Staffroom thread you know that’s not the case.

I’ll also add the words disingenuous and goady.

You'll have plenty of time for home schooling. The global economy has tanked. Sadly, there won't be the work there for a big proportion of people. With a coordinated strategy (unlikely with this government), you might hope for a reduced working week, maybe 3 days, with banks also instructed to proportionately reduce mortgage terms. Alas, people voted in these self serving clowns, so you'll be sold a deluded hope of a miracle 'bounce back' and won't clock on until you've had your home's repossessed and are suddenly doing 'national service' in return for food packages. You might want to be reading up about Dominic Cummings' extremist beliefs....he's the guy running this shit show.

Pics, you seem to be attempting to polarise this discussion in terms of people being for or against working/schooling at home when the reality is there are advantages and disadvantages to staying at home.

I send my D.C. to school and am happy to do so. I value active teaching in person by teachers and my D.C. meeting up with his peers in person. But that is not to say there are no advantages to independent home study. Independent study skills are extremely important especially as someone pursues their educational career further.

The same goes for working from home. Benefits are flexibility, less commuting which in turn has environmental benefits. However, obviously some roles, or part of some roles require seeing people face to face.

I think in order to capitalise on and learn from what benefits there are in the huge societal change lockdown has brought about it is necessary to at least acknowledge what these benefits are. Even though not everyone, in every case scenario is, right this moment, benefitting, they might be able to in the future.

Not saying I don't think it is equally important to acknowledge the hardship lockdown has brought about in order to pull together, help support people and tackle the problems however I don't think think these considerations are mutually exclusive.

You’ve made up a set of teachers in your head that want to be paid for being at home and doing nothing. If you read the Staffroom thread you know that’s not the case

No I really haven't. I've seen lots of I won't go back until a vaccine comments.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Where? I haven’t seen any of those and I’ve been on nearly all the teacher threads.

What I have seen is that teachers are frightened that so many doctors have died and worried about who that could be in their school. I’ve seen anger that we might be sent back without any protection to please parents.

I’ve only seen teachers fear. I haven’t seen ANYONE asking to stay home paid for two years.

What could have happened is that you have read the same posts and your bias has read them as cowardice.

As I said- what a vile way to treat a set of human beings who are asked to put themselves at risk for the sake of your child.

Right so because you haven't seen them they don't exist.

Bias? Bias against teachers? Right ok.

A vile way to treat a set of human beings? Calling people out for wanting to stay at home paid? Ok.

They don't want to put themselves at risk though do they. They're aren't doing it and they don't want to do it.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

You have produced no evidence that this is the case.

This is just your biased and misinformed opinion as fact.

It’s not a fact. It’s your hysterical opinion.

It’s going to be a real adjustment and struggle but personally I think a society in which employers are expected to work more around the needs of children (with state support) is no bad thing.

No I really haven't. I've seen lots of I won't go back until a vaccine comments.

I've seen lots of parents say they won't send their children back until there's a vaccine. They're scared for their families because they know there won't be social distancing or PPE in schools. Which is entirely understandable.

I haven't seen any teachers say they won't go back until a vaccine, but even if there are some posting this, they're just scared. When it actually comes down to it they'd have to make a decision but until we know something about schools' returning, anyone can make a statement based on how they feel right now.

Please don't take the comments of frightened people as proof of anything.

Lets be fair here.
Sone teachers are worried that they'll be expected to go back to work as it was pre C19. That would worry anyone. Teachers get considerably more coughs, colds, sickness bugs, nits and worms than non teachers. We know schools are germ ridden.
All we're exlecting is the same level of safety seen in other public facing roles, whether that's Tesco/B&Q or the pharmacy. All have adopted social distancing practices to keep their staff and customers safe, and presumably aim to keep the R low.
Schools need to find a way to do the same.

Chosennone completely agree. It would be really scary to go back to school without practices to keep us safe, and I think the issue is that although it WILL be phased, social distancing is still so hard in schools. Anyone can see that.

It’s different for me because I’m a student teacher, but my colleagues are actually doing tons of work at the moment, including going into school. And when they’re not, they’re still working from home. I’m just doing my uni stuff/home learning as I’m not allowed in.

GeneGenie fair enough you want to insist you’ve seen all these teachers demand to stay home doing nothing (which no teachers are doing now) and get paid for it. In my experience, that’s not the case. Teachers are working NOW. And of all the teachers I know, I haven’t known one to advocate for that anyway. 🤷‍♀️ I think you’re just making it up, frankly, which is a bit weird.
The reason I think this is because there’s few teachers in the country who are currently not doing any work, let alone expect that to continue for potentially years.

Oh yeah that "bias" word again. Bias against teachers. Interesting.

Chosenone I get that and I wouldn't expect schools to be open as they were. I would hope measures are in place certainly.

It's the healthy teachers that don't want to go back before a vaccine (even with measures in place!) That I don't agree with.

I understand being a little scared. Same for people who work in a supermarket or health care professionals.

Oh now I'm making it up

Ok sweetheart I'm just making it up.

Lol, don’t patronise me just because you have some weird opinion that’s not based on fact and people are calling you out for it. Teachers aren’t sitting at home doing nothing unpaid now, so why you think they expect that to suddenly happen for like 18 months is beyond me.

I'm not just talking MN by the way.

There was a survey on the d of e FB page and most of the comments were teachers who did not want schools to open.

But I'm just making all this up.... Of course.

I have also seen lots of parents say the same. I assume they can all afford not to work and to home school. That's their choice and only affects their own child.

Teachers not working affects loads of kids.

I fully agree schools can't go back as normal and I have not once suggested they can.

Teachers aren’t sitting at home doing nothing unpaid now, so why you think they expect that to suddenly happen for like 18 months is beyond me

I've not said they are doing nothing. I've said they don't want to physically go back into schools. I have no doubt they're working at home

@Ariseandsmellthetea99 - Employers can’t always work around the needs of their employees’ children, it’s not realistic.

I own a nursery. It’s strictly regulated in accordance with ratios. I need my employees to come into work to make up those ratios, and I can’t be flexible with times because I need staff there at the beginning and end of each day, as well as in between. There is no way that my employees could pick and choose their hours because we have to work around the needs of the parents.

I imagine it’s the same for a lot of businesses. Some employers might be able to be flexible, but not all.

I mean.. you literally said “they want to sit at home paid” which doesn’t sound to me like you meant “continue to do a LOT of work from home”. But ok!
Also - if you have seen this being said, that teachers will outright refuse to go back, even with safety measures in place, until there is a vaccine.. then I honestly believe this will be an absolutely tiny fraction of teachers in the profession and I don’t understand why you’re ranting about them as if it’s loads of us.
About that survey - well yeah, I don’t want schools to open as normal now either. There’s a big jump from that opinion to “teachers want to sit at home being paid UNTIL there’s a vaccine because they’re selfish!!!!!”

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Oh, a Facebook poll. Brilliant.

Do you hear how much your sound like a hysterical Daily Mail article.

Your opinion is your opinion. Stop trying to make out that the voices in your head are real people.

I find it hard to believe you could read anything positive about what teachers are doing and not find something goady in it. You are biased. The sad thing is that you don’t even know it.

I've not said they are doing nothing. I've said they don't want to physically go back into schools. I have no doubt they're working at home

Which is not unreasonable.
I’m sorry it’s just not, drs and nurses are dead. They save lives. Teachers do not save lives and we will all manage just fine without putting them at risk.
We already have a dead head teacher, has that been forgotten already?

Ok cats apologies ill rephrase. A lot of teachers would prefer to work from home until there's a vaccine. I don't agree that's practical.

I am only basing what I have seen online. It is probably not s majority but I have also seen lots of talk of unions rallying against schools re opening. I don't know what to make of that.

Some teachers are selfish. Not the majority by any stretch.

@BelleSausage it wasn't a Facebook poll.

Most of the teachers at my school are keen to go back with safety measures in place.
But we are a happy school and morale is generally high. We have a genuinely supportive and trustworthy Head.

Maybe its the teachers in some of the God awful Academy chains with awful SLT who they don't trust. Morale is on the floor in a lot of places as it is.

The govt need to really think about how they're going to reassure the whole nation, not just teachers and parents, after scaring them all to death with their advertising campaign.

we will all manage just fine without putting them at risk

I personally don't believe that's the case unfortunately. Equally I believe measures should be put in place so they're not at risk.