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Neil Ferguson - is this Too good to be true?

437 replies

LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 19:34

Resigns after breaking the lockdown?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/

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Mikki2019 · 06/05/2020 08:46

I mean , on his advice the Queen went on tv and told us all how hard it is to be separated from loved ones and to press on with lockdown fgs

chomalungma · 06/05/2020 08:46

We are not the highest death rate in Europe

Are you going to mention Andorra or San Marino? Hmm

Mikki2019 · 06/05/2020 08:46

We are also the fattest and unhealthiest nation in Europe

LizzyButton · 06/05/2020 08:49

Antonia scrubs up really well in the main pic they are using.

chomalungma · 06/05/2020 08:49

His dire warnings have not come to pass and the UK economy, like most others around the world, has gone into deep crisis based on inflated estimates

Maybe his dire warnings haven't come to pass because we have done the things suggested to stop these things coming to pass?

Xenia · 06/05/2020 08:50

I never supported the lock down and now it looks like this Ferguson chap didn't really either!

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 06/05/2020 08:52

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LunaTheCat · 06/05/2020 08:53

Hmm he is interviewed on radio NZ every Sat am and sounds like butter wouldn’t melt - I am disappointed - he sounds like a totally shady character.

chomalungma · 06/05/2020 08:53

I never supported the lock down and now it looks like this Ferguson chap didn't really either

He had the disease - so thought he was immune.

But that bit has been overlooked

ToffeeYoghurt · 06/05/2020 08:53

How do you know the second wave is inevitable Smile?

It doesn't have to be. A longer first lockdown until the spread was much reduced, and then implement border controls and quarantine could potentially prevent it. Let's see how Australia and NZ (and some of the Asian countries with very low number of cases fare).

I'm not necessarily arguing for a very long lockdown. We do however need to ensure that this time round we're better prepared. We could use the next three weeks to do that.

If a second wave really is unavoidable all the more reason to prepare well. Let's get the PPE to keep our doctors and nurses alive, get accurate tests, drugs and equipment to treat patients (early).

Mumlove5 · 06/05/2020 08:59

@BigChocFrenzy
“Macron, Merkel and most of the leaders in the world relied on their own scientists and predictions, who advised lockdown
They didn't lockdown because of a team at a London college
The rest of Europe locked down after taking fright at what was happening in Italy
Lockdown was a pause button, for doctors and scientists to learn more about COVID
and for the health services to be built up to handle the casualties.
Bookmark”

Italy was hit hard for multiple reasons and the scientific community/governments should have thoughtfully taken those reasons into account. Instead, they panicked and chose to instantly lockdown. An unwarranted draconian lockdown imposed on hundreds of millions of people.

This medical paper lists the reasons why we should not have followed Italy:

www.news-medical.net/news/20200407/Lessons-from-Italys-COVID-19-pandemic-underscore-the-need-for-more-research.aspx

Dr. Ioannidis, famous for his highly cited and debated publication "Why most published research findings are false" where he stated that a majority of modern biomedical operates in areas with low probability for true findings, recently warned about the potential harms of exaggerated information and subsequent non-evidence-based measures during COVID-10 pandemic.

From a global vantage point, he turned his eye to Italy, where together with Dr. Boccia and Dr. Ricciardi, they aimed to dissect contributing factors in the current medical and public health crisis. These experts have described four distinct determinants: demographics/concomitant diseases, case burden, health care system capacity, and stochastic factors.

....

Lessons for the world: apply with caution!

"In the absence of prevalence and incidence data," the authors warn, "it is difficult to predict the effects of specific major public health decisions, such as lockdowns, on the course of the COVID-19 pandemic".

Their reasoning is that lockdowns may actually result in people spending more time with elderly and susceptible individuals, and eventually just prepare the terrain for a new epidemic wave that will hit immediately after removing the measures.

Mikki2019 · 06/05/2020 08:59

@chomalungma loads of us have had it but are still banged up away from loved ones

ToffeeYoghurt · 06/05/2020 09:00

YY chomalungma
There was a very well explained post the other day on one of the threads. Someone explaining expert research concluded there is immunity once someone's caught it.

But it's not beneficial for those with an agenda to include that pertinent fact.

It was all ever so convenient. The timing of him being caught with his pants down.

Itisasecret · 06/05/2020 09:01

I’m just wondering what stories others are sitting on for when the time is right. When we hit the highest death rate per capita perhaps? I am by no means a conspiracy theorist, but a month old story released when our PM is no where to be seen and our numbers tip 30k. Come on and people lap it up, like gossips at the school gates. Nothing about the married man who’s just had a baby with his mistress though. What magicians they are, great at deflection.

SudokuBook · 06/05/2020 09:02

It was all ever so convenient. The timing of him being caught with his pants down.

No one made him break the rules. He did it of his own free will.

Anniesnotmydaddy · 06/05/2020 09:02

Chomalunga It doesn't really matter though whether he thought he was immune. The advice isn't 'Stay at home and only leave for 4 specific reasons, or, if you think you've already had it and you're immune feel free to do whatever you like'.

He's an utter hypocrite who is in a position of influencing how we are currently living our lives and what our futures might look like. It's arrogant, and in the case of his partner, completely irresponsible. She's actually more guilty of ignoring the advice than he is.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 06/05/2020 09:05

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ToffeeYoghurt · 06/05/2020 09:05

The timing relates to someone just happening to find out. At a very opportune moment.

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 06/05/2020 09:06

While that's true sudoku, it doesn't actually pertain to the point you were replying to. Ferguson's unjustifiable behaviour happened several weeks ago, so it's reasonable to think about why the story has been released only now. Sitting on stories until the optimum time to drop them isn't uncommon practice in journalism. And it's not an inherently pro-lockdown point either, one could be totally anti-lockdown and still think critically about the timing of this news.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 06/05/2020 09:07

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Laniakea · 06/05/2020 09:13

He had the disease - so thought he was immune

^ exactly, he made an assessment of risk and considered it to be low. As did the Scottish CMO. Both assessments disagreed with the rules they promoted but their risk assessment stood therefore

1 - we can all make individual assessments of risk & alter our behaviour (or not) accordingly ?
2 - the rules are not an appropriate response to the actual risk & can be ignored ?
3 - they were wrong in their risk assessments and the rules are appropriate ... they have poor judgement and have broken the spirit if not actual law ... therefore should resign ?

In terms of maintaining population ‘compliance’ (I despise that word when spoken by government/police) three is the only acceptable conclusion really. Regardless of my preferences.

Weetam68 · 06/05/2020 09:14

@Smilethoyourheartisbreaking

Why are you irresponsibly spreading fear?

Please stop.

The sane members of the general public are rapidly tiring of this type of behaviour and I strongly advise you to change your attitude asap.

You have a choice today : Will you insist on continuing to live your life through the eyes of fear...?

Or the eyes of love ...? ... Cause in the end, it really is that simple.

I know which side i am on 😊

Mumlove5 · 06/05/2020 09:14

It’s sad and very disturbing that science is now undebatable. The UK government has treated the Imperial College Model as if it were the Ten Commandments.

Things are beginning to unfold. The scientists and epidemiologists who counter-argued this model were ignored. If the government felt they were wrong, why don’t we know why that is? We need to see both sides of the argument.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked

ToffeeYoghurt · 06/05/2020 09:15

That comprehensively tells us Smile. Period.

Chillipeanuts · 06/05/2020 09:16

LilacTree

I am not sure who is to "blame" for lockdown but I certainly think he has a share of that responsibility

“Blame” and “responsibility”? So you don’t believe the restrictions were necessary?