University Fees for on-line Lectures

[Kastanien]

Latest this morning(sorry if it is already on here, I checked and could not see a thread)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52506283

Just wondering how those of you with DC due to start (or return to Uni) in the Autumn feel about full tuition fees for on-line learning?
I feel there should be a reduction as the teaching is not the same on-line as face to face.

How can you say all academics took part in the strikes? Are you on glue?

I for one didn’t. I don’t know a single lecturer at my uni who did. Certainly not in my school. So you’re wrong.

What I'm seeing universities do is extend their no detriment policy to not penalising students for not including resources they were unable to access due to lockdown. Maybe this is worth investigating

Yes, this is what we’re doing with our finalists’ dissertations. Final supervisions in the last week of term (conducted online) were partly to check with students about how they might need to redirect their dissertations in the light of lockdown. For all my students (about 30 of them) it was either fine to continue as they were, or they just needed to approach their topic slightly differently. No one needed to radically alter their research direction. And anyway sometimes when they go away and start writing, they make changes anyway - pre-lockdown.

We’ve given them a week’s extension plus there’s the no detriment policy.

More than a weeks extension inSummer term leaves us with not enough time to mark and second mark, benchmark and moderate (dissertations go through all 4 marking processes - we are super-thorough and robust). Timing is very tight and considerations of staff health for examiners and administrators also beds to be taken into account - the time it takes to do important and exacting assessment and then the calculation and checking of final marks to calculate degree classifications. It’s complex work under heavy time pressure.

Yes, they did

An outright lie.

Although if she’s at a post-92, they may not have them, as they’re often not funded so well for research in the humanities, and students generally aren’t as focused on research.

Which it is.

An outright lie.

What????

She did make a complaint. How are you accusing someone you don't know, of lying?

You aren't even making any sense now.....

CatandtheFiddle

So university marking timetables are more important than ensuring students are treated fairly and allowances made for an unprecedented circumstance? Students sitting exams are being given 48 hours to complete them, not under exam conditions, but students doing written assessments aren't being given given any consideration because it's too time consuming?

Marking timetables ensure that students are treated fairly and that the marking system is transparent and robust.
Students are being given extensions but they can't be unlimited in time.
Staff also deserve to be treated fairly too.

You aren't even making any sense now.....

In regards to what?

On the previous page you said my daughter should complain to the university. I replied yes they did now Cat has quoted that and replied An outright lie.

Why haven't I made sense?

That's because your post seemed to imply that all academics took part in the strikes .......

Students are being given extensions but they can't be unlimited in time.
Staff also deserve to be treated fairly too.

This is the students only chance. A culmination of three years study, staff can't accommodate that?

Why not make students taking exams stick to standard times too then? Why give them 48 hours and the chance to cheat by taking them at home with help available if they choose but students writing essays can't have any extra help?

That's because your post seemed to imply that all academics took part in the strikes .......

No it didn't. It answered your post which said that she needed to make a complaint. It was posted immediately under your post, directly answering you.

The post you answered said “not all academics took part in the strikes”. You answered saying “yes they did”.

If you were in fact replying to the other line about your Dd making a complaint surely you’d have said “yes she did”. Saying “they” when talking about your Dd makes no sense.

Smacks of back tracking to me. At the very least you ought to copy and highlight the pertinent bit of the previous post you’re referring to in order to avoid confusion.

In that same post I pointed out that not all academics took part in the strikes. You responded 'yes they did'

You can see where we got confused.....🤷

JacobReesMogadishu

I was referring to her and her friends, who made a complaint. Not back tracking at all. I was responding to the comment

Seriously, if your daughter has been let down by her university then she needs to put in a formal complaint. There really isn't anything else to say

This is what I replied to

Why not make students taking exams stick to standard times too then? Why give them 48 hours and the chance to cheat by taking them at home with help available if they choose but students writing essays can't have any extra help?

One reason is that not all students have access to reliable broadband, or broadband at all.

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At the very least you ought to copy and highlight the pertinent bit of the previous post you’re referring to in order to avoid confusion.

Others on here aren't doing that. They've just posted an answer with no reference to what they're talking about.

See Sues post above where she just says

You're not making any sense without stating who or what that relates to

There were two statements in my post. they way you phased your response made it sound like you were referring to the first bit......I'm not the only one who thought that.

But hey, you've found another stick to best us with! Whoop

One reason is that not all students have access to reliable broadband, or broadband at all.

So the fact they could have someone feeding them the answers, or even someone else taking the exam doesn't matter?

The fact that students trying to write essays without access to texts, or internet on which to access on line resources also doesn't matter enough either because what matters there is abiding by marking deadlines to be fair to staff, rather than being fair to students?

SueEllenMishke

Well, you assumed I was answering the first part, I assumed it was obvious I was answering the second part.

Well it wasn't. Your use of 'they' was rather confusing. 'she' would have worked better.

was referring to her and her friends, who made a complaint. Not back tracking at all. I was responding to the comment

Well her friends hadn’t been mentioned in the previous post hence the confusion when you started saying “they”. People would obviously think you were referring to the only part of the Previous post which talked about a plural group of people.

Well it wasn't. Your use of 'they' was rather confusing. 'she' would have worked better.

Because earlier this evening when the same point was made I said that her and her friends had complained. So, when you said, again, that she should complain I was replying that they had complained because it's at least the third time this thread that I have explained that her, and her friends, have complained.