Time to get real people

[cookingmywaythroughlockdown]

Ok I think it's time to get a grip on reality!

Coronavirus is pretty nasty but it isn't apocalypse now time. Most of us are going to get it at some point and we will be just fine. So will our families and friends.
The UK cannot stay locked down for much longer without producing a national disaster that will reverberate for decades. So - you will be going back to work, your kids will be going back to school. Wash your hands well and enjoy your lives.
I'm just so sick of the posts prophesying carnage and really enjoying competitive isolation. For most people living like this is borderline harmful. For some it is already actively harmful.

We have to come out from under the bed. Wear a mask, wear gloves if you like but be prepared to live a normal if socially distanced life.

All epidemics burn themselves out eventually. We are much better placed to treat and protect the vulnerable then ever before. At some point soon we have to just get on with it.

Antibiotics don’t work on viruses but EVERyTIME I had a fucking virus according to a GP and I took my own antibiotics stash it work from the very first day.
So I do not believe it. And it’s not happened only me who has this experience.
And no, no scientist lesson from anyone here or anywhere will change it.

• CrocodileFondue I don’t think the op is saying the people over 80 and people who have letters saying they need to shield should start trying to get back to work, but she say that we can’t all stay home until a vaccination is found , it could be over a year from now. No country in the world can afford to pay people to stay home a year. Unfortunately more people need to get the virus It just has to be done with some control so the NHS can cope.

How do you suggest people social distance on underground and overground trains, and busses, to get to and from work? For a start.

Thank you @NanaRant for your powerful post and sharing why it’s so important lockdown doesn’t stop immediately. I am very sorry to hear all what your family are going through.

Staying in lockdown will not stop people dying. I know that's not what anyone wants to hear but it just won't. It was never meant to.

Of course it was meant to stop some people dying! What do you think the aim is if it is not that? Obviously there will be deaths but there will be fewer if hospitals aren't overwhelmed and people can be treated. There is also the possibility that not everyone will have been infected by the time there is a vaccine.

How do you suggest people social distance on underground and overground trains, and busses, to get to and from work? For a start

Surely people continue to wfh where possible? For those that can't services would hopefully be less crowded. Maybe masks will be mandatory.

No re vaccine trials most volunteers are not health care workers. I volunteered

That doesn't mean they weren't prioritising health care workers.

But who is proposing staying in lockdown indefinitely? Nobody.

Half of you are Old Man Shakes Fist At Sky.

Obviously there will be an end to this. And, I would gave thought this but was obvious too I-it will be need to be done by degrees, keeping an eye on as all the stats. Timing is crucial, track and trace is crucial. We are not all being released like kids from school in a high school movie.
If you release to early you totally negate the efforts everyone has put in so far.

I'll say again, if anyone thinks this is simple, they just 'just' do whatever, they are not thinking clearly

Of course it was meant to stop some people dying! What do you think the aim is if it is not that?

To stop them needing hospital care all at once. To "flatten the curve".

Some kids will never catch up - catch up to what OP? There will be a new norm.

I think it is fair to worry about educational impact.

Although schools stayed open to help at risk children, many have not turned up.

Also, some children's education has hardly been interrupted, while other children's education has stopped. That might be manageable for a term, but not for a school year.

However, the government is not suggesting that schools will be closed for a year.

THE PURPOSE OF LOCKDOWN IS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CASES TO A MANAGABLE LEVEL TO CONTROL AND LIMIT SPREAD VIA TRACK AND TRACE.

This ensures there is healthcare available to all - not just for covid-19, but for if your 3 year old falls over badly and bangs their head in the park, or if you have a car accident or you get cancer or an STI. So there are doctors who are available able to treat you rather triage you.

Lockdown is not to

1. eradicate the disease. Thats too late with how widespread it is.
2. Protect us until there is a vaccine.

Its purpose is to mitigate the effects by:
Slowing down spread and reduce the number of cases
To make it possible to trace new cases and detect people who have it.
Further our research into the disease so we can treat patients who get it more effectively, so the survival rate increases and the complication rate decreases.
Understand who is most at risk and needs to be protected.

We had to lock down because we did not have the infrustructure nor capacity nor knowledge to do this at the start of the outbreak.

Lockdown is a 'time out' to try and get to that point.

Lockdown can only ever be time limited. Even people who support it, understand this and understand that its about balancing risk. If we don't do finish what we started at this point, then the whole exercise will be wasted.

This is a long term problem. Not a short term one.

I’m sick of these threads personally. Multiple per day If you use the search function.

Me too.

I understand the different opinions. I understand the facts about the economy. However I would rather listen to the experts than be told to get real and get a grip as if I'm thick (which I'm not).

@smilethoyourheartisbreaking When I heard professor Gilbert talking about the trial on tv a while back I had the same question and it was bugging me. As she was so confident they would have results quickly but then in the gov briefings we were being told the transmission rate needed to be brought right down before any easing of restrictions. i sent my question to the bbc and the lbs but never got an answer!

Could you go lick some door handles and shake some Covid hands to check first though.

Then report back.

“Since we are all going to get it”

RedToothBrush

Exactly.

RedToothBrush

Thank you. And have a on me, it isn't easy arguing with stupid but someone has to do it

magic money tree

Didn't take long for that phrase to creep in, did it. Quelle surprise.

My first ever

There are some disgusting people on this thread. I know emotions are running high, but I get the feeling some posters are already affected beyond recovery, talking so flippantly about death and loss.

OP one of my colleagues ended up in hospital on a ventilator with CV. Had there not been a bed available, he would have died. The point of lockdown is to prevent the NHS from being overloaded by too many cases all at once.

You may think that the economy is worth people who could have been treated dying because there are no beds left. I disagree.

I don't think anyone has been flippant about death and loss.

I agree OP. Some of us on MN seem to wallow in the hysteria and the opportunity to judge others.