Time to get real people

[cookingmywaythroughlockdown]

Ok I think it's time to get a grip on reality!

Coronavirus is pretty nasty but it isn't apocalypse now time. Most of us are going to get it at some point and we will be just fine. So will our families and friends.
The UK cannot stay locked down for much longer without producing a national disaster that will reverberate for decades. So - you will be going back to work, your kids will be going back to school. Wash your hands well and enjoy your lives.
I'm just so sick of the posts prophesying carnage and really enjoying competitive isolation. For most people living like this is borderline harmful. For some it is already actively harmful.

We have to come out from under the bed. Wear a mask, wear gloves if you like but be prepared to live a normal if socially distanced life.

All epidemics burn themselves out eventually. We are much better placed to treat and protect the vulnerable then ever before. At some point soon we have to just get on with it.

Spell, thanks for those links. They are really interesting reading.

But the OP doesn't run the country. And even those with underlying conditions if they caught COVID have a very high chance of NOT dying.

The chance of not suffering long-term health complications is unfortunately not so high. Many people will suffer from permanent lung damage and they have also mentioned kidney problems.

tracey, is that you?

wash your hands britain.!

tracey, is that you?

wash your hands britain.!

@merrymouse

Do people think that the current Conservative government would have lifted lockdown by now, but are concerned about public opinion?

No, I don't think that. My comment was solely about the opinions on MN.

I think it's unfortunate that Boris Johnson ended up with a horrible dose of CV, as this is likely to colour his political views about the lockdown. But that's a different thing.

I want the lockdown to end because I want to have a job again, and not to rock myself to sleep crying because I have teenagers at home and no money coming in. I want my family to continue to have a home and for my children to stay at their current schools. If the lockdown ends, my sector will re-open, and those things will be possible again.

I just found out that my 32-year-old high school classmate died from coronavirus today.

ah....maybe the PBP from earlier is back.....

A long and healthy life is not on the cards if you're homeless I would think.

People who aren't homeowners are not necessarily homeless.

@TeenyQueen
so sorry to hear that, how sad.

People who aren't homeowners are not necessarily homeless

Being somebody who rents my home I'm fully aware of that thanks. If you can't pay the mortgage and your homes taken from you I'm pretty sure that still counts as being homeless.

@TeenyQueen

I'm sorry to hear that. A colleague who works in ITU at my local hospital was commenting on how young many of the patients are. Very sad.

All you people proffering biscuits and sarcasm: do you have an alternative? You may lead such sheltered lives that you haven't heard of the economy, but it's not just suited businessmen who give a shit about it; nor is it only callous people who "put money before lives". If the economy tanks, expect to see millions of deaths through poverty and unemployment, only they will go unrecorded as a cost of lockdown.

And those lefties who have chalked up deaths to "austerity" will not be allowed to chalk up deaths in 2021-2-3 to "the recession caused by the lockdown", because they will have been some of the most vociferous in calling for a lockdown "and trivial things like the capialist economy can go hang".

Every person on here who offers sarcasm in response to a reasonable point of view should hang their head in shame and should, frankly, stop posting on a forum which involves mutual discussion.

If OP has put forward a view you disagree with, give us a good reason against it. Your point of view is not so obvious that you no longer need to argue for it, or that you can just dismiss it with a 'biscuit' icon.

If you can't give a good reason against what the OP says, we are reasonable to conclude you don't have a good reason.

I can't follow, notmrpootles. What are you proposing? Even Boris Johnson thinks it is too early to relax the lockdown. Have you seen the numbers of daily new cases in the UK?

If the economy tanks, expect to see millions of deaths through poverty and unemployment, only they will go unrecorded as a cost of lockdown.

It's interesting that the people who think that we should stop being "hysterical" about the virus killing people then go on to be hysterical about the economic costs of lockdown. There is no evidence that this lockdown will result in millions of lives being lost due to poverty. There is however plenty of evidence that potentially millions and certainly hundreds of thousands of lives could be lost to this virus. I don't think that the people who want lockdown to be eased only very slowly are the ones who need to get a grip.

Dear NotMrPootles
Kindly fuck off

I’ve also had one of those delightful inbox messages. I’ve reported it.

Advanced search says you haven't been here long. Best not to send snotty personal messages. Keep it on the thread.

Don't get the sarcastic comments at all! I 100% agree with you! Enough is enough! Of course we can't just 'go back to normal' but life needs to get back to some kind of a new normal or the outcome from this will be far more catastrophic then covid will ever be.

OP I think given the total lack of respect or solid information provided to the British public added to the fact that this country has not even had a proper lockdown we are all very entitled to voice our fears, concerns and question supposedly leaked plans for easing lockdown.

What qualifies you to make the decision for all of us? Just curious...

Re the economy you are wrong.
If we had kept covid out or tested it out.
Then we would at least have our internal economy
Shops
Cinema
Pubs
Restaurant
We could have gone on a uk holiday.

Instead we have all that shut maybe for a year. May not be able to even have a uk holiday.
Mainly it was for the sake of not cancelling cheltenham/football and quarantining flights.
Just so we could have also tourists into uk.

Now if we do stamp on covid hard and quarantine flights with extremely low rates of covid people might be able to go to all those places. As with wearing masks.
We could maybe have summer outside events.
Instead over 70s are stuck at home and people choosing to stay inside.
We put the rconomy first wrongly to start with costing lives and all of our quality of life and our entertainment /leisure industry.
Rush to send kids back to school push up r0 and end up with another lockdown.
That messes up economy more.
The economy will bounce back when we can all come out of hiding. Try to force people out and they wont be out spending money they will be saving it for losing jobs and stockpiling for the next wave

‘And those lefties who have chalked up deaths to "austerity" will not be allowed to chalk up deaths in 2021-2-3 to "the recession caused by the lockdown", because they will have been some of the most vociferous in calling for a lockdown "and trivial things like the capialist economy can go hang".’

Austerity is a political decision. A recession does not automatically lead to deaths; it is how the government responds to that recession.

And economics can’t be separated from public health. It is completely meaningless to keep saying people don’t care about economics while not actually proposing how we should manage how economies function in a global health emergency.

I suppose the assumption is that we can somehow go back to normal, but how? Are you going to force people to keep on buying synthetic clothes, plastic tat and overpriced restaurant meals when they are scared of looming global food shortages?

I agree OP. These recent weeks have proven that we are not the same, brave country who won two world wars.