This is concerning

[owlstwooting]

Significant alert in respect of Children and Paediatric shock. It has been reported that over the past three weeks, there has been a rise in the number of Children presenting with a multisystem inflammatory state requiring intensive care.

Looks legit, sadly

mobile.twitter.com/ThePalpitations/status/1254529121134264322

Thank you for posting OP. People who jump on you are just as scared as you, it just comes out as aggression.
It's sadly not suprising is it that a small minority of children have a very bad reaction - this happens with many illnesses that can be mild for most but leathal for a few doesn't it? e.g. measels
It's interesting on Twitter, reading the Tweet replies and seeing people disbelieving because they think there would be a way for this information to be communicated efficiently internally in the NHS. People who have never worked in it have no idea how fragmented the NHS and its communication systems are. They think it's like working in a big national company where everyone is on the same system and gets the same memo.

NSW study
Study conducted in time when CT not his, kids began to be kept home
Low numbers of cases
Incomplete testing
Disingenuous conclusions intended to be more powerful than they are
Info on presymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission still developing

Paper says “only one of 168 individuals was identified to have been infected following close contact with a school case in these five primary schools”

Again, can not say that as did not test 168 individuals
Only swabbed 53 and serology on 21 who obviously overlapped

ard to extrapolate any real conclusions under these circumstances and it is a shaky foundation on which to do so

Let's think rationally here. If we in the UK are now seeing significant numbers of gravely ill children coming through, those countries which have suffered covid longer and/or in greater numbers should have seen this earlier than we have.

What information is coming out of China, HK, Singapore, the USA? Italy, France, Spain?

Thanks for posting OP. I hadn't seen this.

What information is coming out of China, HK, Singapore, the USA? Italy, France, Spain?

Children seem to have been kept away in some countries especially Spain and Italy. Apparently also seem in Washington. We do need more investigation though I agree.

@PicsInRed

Yes, thank you. I hope people get the facts first.

I have many family members in the US, in hotspot zones. Nothing has been said about this at all.

picsinred a few things to consider here -

• there are reports in other countries, the OP has said that
• the UK media seem to be exceptionally bad at reporting compared to other countries' media
• other countries have handled the virus differently from the UK, and respect the social distancing rules differently
• viruses mutate and what is happening in the UK might be to do with a different strain which is related

I think the thing to take away from it is to not rush into anything assuming kids are ‘immune’

I'm not an expert, nor am I a medical doctor. The consistency of bloods with COVID and requirement for ICU care are worrying and may or may not be a coincidence. But there was a hand, foot and mouth disease outbreak locally to me not that long ago. Having spotted some of the images of the tongue and hand rashes online they did look instantly recognizable, so and the symptoms of that condition as listed on a basic Google search seem to be consistent with that condition. A number of people on social media are saying the same thing (not that that's to be taken as a reliable indicator, either).

Of course people are scared, and a natural thing to do when scared is to hit out or go in denial. Until there's a much clearer indication of a serious problem I won't be losing sleep over this, but vigilance is never a bad thing in these circumstances. It is concerning and the OP didn't deserve the hard time she's been given.

The way we convey information, including our language is really important especially in the present situation.

People are at home unable to access usual support networks and have increased anxiety. It is not difficult to take a little time to present any information to discuss in a responsible manner.

The information currently available to us remains that children are in a low risk category.

A PP linked the hsj and that says

Little is known so far about the issue, nor how widespread it has been, but the absolute number of children affected is thought to be very small, according to paediatrics sources.

The fact that many fewer children than adults have had serious illness with the virus or died remains the case.

I think it is hihglighting an issue that has been seen across a small number of cases and is simply showing Drs to be on the look out for it for early treatment

Data on children in hospital with COVID-19. Small numbers &most are on general wards rather than HDU or ICU. Majority have no underlying conditions.
www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/covid-19-service-evaluation-audit-care-needs-children-admitted-hospital-england#results

@owlstwooting don’t feel that you need to apologise or allow the mean spirited people on this thread to make you feel silly. You posted a valid concern that is being widely reported and as a parent it is something that is concerning to me too!

What's concerning here is the poor way this information is being communicated. DH works in a GP surgery and has been trying to verify this info but all the media outlets are only referencing PICS. They should have released a proper document if they have info this serious.

The fact that it will worry and scare people is the reason people are piling on the OP? What would the ones scolding the OP prefer? To withhold it so as to not have your feathers ruffled? Fgs let people post, there are bound to be new mutations.

Most important message is if you think your child is very unwell, please take them to A+E. Some concern, as with adult emergency services, that people are leaving it too late.

'There are bound to be new mutations'

This sort of off the cuff casual misinformation is exactly the reason people don't know what to believe. Studies on the genealogy of the virus do not support this at all. More likely a very few of the very many children infected are developing this complication. That it is being noted at the peak of a pandemic wave isn't surprising. Doctors in Italy and Spain have also apparently noted children presenting in the same way in 'small but significant' numbers - significant from a medical perspective, not a lay persons perspective.

Studies on the genealogy of the virus do not support this at all you are incorrect.

SARS-CoV-2 is an evolving virus, much is unknown.

Most important message is if you think your child is very unwell, please take them to A+E. Some concern, as with adult emergency services, that people are leaving it too late.

Absolutely! Fever in a kid that lasts for more than 5 days always needs checking out by a professional, now is no different to before.

Same with any other symptom that causes a parent to feel particularly concerned, breathlessness, lethargy, not eating or drinking, abdominal pain and bloating, rash etc.

Go straight to paediatric A&E for blood tests (GP will only send you there anyway).

Check online that your normal A&E is operating before you leave (we normally have a choice of two at the same distance, but one closed to increase their CV capacity, redirecting A&E kids to the bigger one).

that was @lakequeen

@lakequeen, what studies were you reading which gave you that impression?

Also, whether small numbers or not, having information means that parents can react quickly to symptoms. If we all are led to believe that dc are unlikely to get covid, then we may assume symptoms are not going to get serious, whereas with accurate info we can react. It also means we are more likely to take precautions with dc which is a good thing at the moment.

We are fortunate that the government commissions regular audits of every intensive care case in the UK - that's why the impact on BAME people and children is becoming apparent from reliable data that is routinely collected and reported from every hospital across the country.

Not that surprising to find an impact in children and of course worrying for parents. But don't shoot the messenger. The op was perfectly reasonable posting this and did her best to verify the source - which is indeed perfectly legitimate even if it's also been tweeted!

Thanks Op.

There are A B C strains of it. Of course it's developing. That is a fact.

However this message about children with complications seems just to affect a few children but is certainly worth doctors knowing about just in case.

Thank you for posting OP, I had not heard about this latest possibility.

Sorry some people are idiots OP and we’re quick to dismiss you.

Of course there is going to be new information every day. Some will work out some won’t. The same posters were those laughing idiots saying it was just the flu and we didn’t need to worry

People should be aware of the various ways the virus presents, it’s not just respiratory symptoms/fever.

For example , the Coronavirus causes sudden strokes in young adults

FYI, the study you linked was a study of five people.

It could not be considered a trend.