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This is concerning

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owlstwooting · 27/04/2020 09:00

Significant alert in respect of Children and Paediatric shock. It has been reported that over the past three weeks, there has been a rise in the number of Children presenting with a multisystem inflammatory state requiring intensive care.

Looks legit, sadly

mobile.twitter.com/ThePalpitations/status/1254529121134264322

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owlstwooting · 30/04/2020 12:07

Thanks iseeu , I will watch it.

@Sunshinegirl82 I don't agree that there will be no answers to any of this for months or possibly years. Things are moving fast and there is a lot invested globally in learning more about this virus. Think how much the world has learned in this short time.

I think that while we cannot with 100% certainty yet know/prove that this is linked to Covid, I think given the reports from various countries, we can say it's a likely possibility.

I agree that this being brought to public knowledge will hopefully enable Parents to advocate for their Children. The teenage case of the syndrome in Aberdeen who is in ICU (inproving, happily) , his mother said they had to "fight" to get him admitted to hospital. Given prompt treatment is essential, that is very worrying.

I guess I'm terrified because I find it hard to switch off and I'm very risk averse. Others will be 'very concerned' , others will not. I don't think any one's reaction is irrational (and not saying you think I'm irrational iyswim) people all perceive things differently and that's no bad thing.

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owlstwooting · 30/04/2020 12:07

*very

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owlstwooting · 30/04/2020 12:17

@Quartz2208

I'm not aware that any health authority or government guidance has yet been given specifically regarding this new syndrome and signs to look out for, other than the normal 'if you are concerned (list of general symptoms of serious illness to look out for) seek medical attention' type guidance.
This is probably because they don't know enough yet about the presentation and don't want loads of people turning up with unrelated symptoms. I get that.
The case in Aberdeen ICU his mother said they had to "fight" for him to be admitted to hospital.
Twitter or not, and it wasn't just Twitter, that's just where I first saw it, personally I'd rather be given information as it comes than not. This government especially are slow to confirm things.

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Sunshinegirl82 · 30/04/2020 12:18

I think the numbers are so small that we do need to be realistic about how quickly they will be able to tell us much more. The international collaboration is great and will speed things along a bit but I don’t expect to see any definite answers to it in the next few weeks. They are still working out why some adults have such a severe reaction and they have been aware of that possibility since the start of this. I hope I’m wrong and it’s quicker than I’m anticipating.

I was very interested to see that there was initially a link drawn between SARS and Kawasaki’s that was subsequently disproven. Seems quite coincidental.

I am risk averse but I am concerned that there is now so much fear about COVID that people are starting to lose perspective a bit and are actually exposing themselves and their children to far greater risks in an effort to entirely eliminate the (fairly small) risk of COVID. Announcements like this one will fuel the fears of those people and I worry it’s going to be hard for people to keep it in perspective (I’m not addressing that to you OP, I’m just talking generally).

iseeu · 30/04/2020 12:19

@Sunshinegirl82 Yes maybe! About the experience. I think also that some threads are more dominated by the terrifed or the complacent generally, but - based on no hard evidence whatsoever admittedly - I think that the majority are neither!

iseeu · 30/04/2020 12:25

why would the ratios be any different though. I agree the NUMBERS would be much much higher without lockdown but given that it was spreading through schools after February half term I cannot see how the ratios would be any different with lockdown to answer I thought that you were suggesting that the figures you gave supported children returning to normal without any precautions (I might have got that wrong?). I agree that the numbers would be higher all round - which to me is the significant thing, whether it would be more old people affected in terms of ratios or not. As to ratios, I don't know, but the doctors thought more young adults would be affected because of lifestyles - crowded bars etc. Though whether the ratios would be signficantly affeced I don't know. They didn't comment on children as the dominant view at the time was that children were more likely to be vectors than affected themselves.

owlstwooting · 30/04/2020 12:30

@Sunshinegirl82

I hope they will be able to tell us more with research but you may be right that we won't know the ins and outs for a while. What I think is important is to know the prevalence of this syndrome. How often it occurs in relation to Covid. For that we need the joined up communication which I think is happening, but also way way more testing.

I think that it's a very small minority of people who will take fear to the level it damages.

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Quartz2208 · 30/04/2020 12:46

I also think it is important to know how often it appears in relation to other things - as I keep on saying the danger of this is all in the numbers even the smallest ratios can make a large number is the number effected are huge

@owlstwooting I dont think the fighting is a COVID thing. So when DS had his reaction he was in OOH. He went from being alert to floppy and a non blanching rash appeared. The Doctor took time giving me a letter for A&E when DH took DS to it. The triage nurse didnt look at him and told him to sit down. Well when I turned up 3 minutes later to find them sitting in the waiting room I went straight to the triage nurse to ask why. She moaned but saw him - instantly he was in a room with everyone getting an IV in him. But I had to fight not to be left in the waiting room

@iseeu I think lockdown has changed the ratios as it happens slightly skewed so that the elderly do look worse (if that makes sense) simply because it is hard to distance in care homes.

But I think the stats do show that children are less seriously affected than others but can still have a reaction.

Young adults and bars and pubs I think is the one that will be the last to be lifted

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