Posters who want lockdown lifted

[DianaT1969]

I'm seeing an increase in threads where the poster is impatient for exact details of an exit strategy (even though we can all imagine what it will involve - phased re-opening of some stores and businesses etc,,). Plus we're hearing the usual cries of lockdown is hurting society more than it's helping.
Spain saw a spike in new infections today - the highest since their peak 3 weeks ago. To these posters I'd like to ask what your thread titles will be during our spikes in infections and deaths after this lockdown?
What I'm really getting at is that you don't seem to understand that we're in this for the long haul. There is no quick fix, back to normal.

They can't even determine this had it though.

Not only do some people remain asymptomatic the whole time the antibodies take a while to show up if at all and whatever the result the test is only valid for the second you take it. It's no indication of whether you are clear or not in reality

Today the nhs isn't overrun?

Well given the number of threads where people are talking of the cancellation of cancer treatment I disagree with that as a statement. The NHS is not yet able to work as they would prefer to work.

But more to the point, assuming the NHS is not overrun today, turning off lockdown would mean that in about 4 weeks time we would be facing the overloaded NHS

Come out early, go back sooner

You might prefer having month long lockdown every other month , I prefer longer now for none later

How is it overrun? They've literally just said there's intensive care capacity, posters are saying they are not busy at work in hospitals, - they've cancelled most stuff - why not start some of that up again?

Reading this thread more and more I am thinking that people need to make their own decisions on this. Its not just a question of 'going on benefits'!

If you really feel vulnerable and are shielding then sadly you might be one of a group of people who could well have different rules applied. I have two grown up children. Their lives are being trashed because of this. It will take years to get back to some sort of normality and the economy to get back on track. I find it odd too why people suggest they dont want to go out until a vacine is found, trace and check etc.

If you really want to do that they no one is forcing you back to work, go out to the park etc. It will be your own decision but surely you cannot expect others to feel the same

And how is longer now saving anything? Honestly it's just pointless this indefinite postponing of everything.

Only the well off can decide to self isolate without government backing

With the majority of people out of lockdown and back at work, then providing financial support for those who continue to shield should be possible. No, it won't replace their full salary but I'm assuming people place a higher value on their, and their loved ones safety and will be prepared to make sacrifices.

There are so many people whose livelihoods are completely reliant on social interactions.
Airline staff; hair dressers; beauticians; swimming instructors; pub owners; hospitality workers; pilots; wait staff; chiropractors; group counselling etc etc

These people can’t all just wait for a vaccine. Many aren’t helped by the furlough scheme ... and how can they take out loans, when they don’t know if/when they can start paying them back?

Life has just become impossible for a large number of people and the impact on the economy from this alone is going to be unprecedented.

We can’t just hide forever and as people are realising this they are becoming a little more lackadaisical about social distancing right now. Once schools are back, it’ll be well and truly over

We will probably be told at some point to wear a mask for peace of mind and get on with it.

The question is how do we go about getting the lockdown lifted? There seems to be a shift in attitudes but the govt doesn't have a plan. We are at their mercy.

No, it won't replace their full salary but I'm assuming people place a higher value on their, and their loved ones safety and will be prepared to make sacrifices

You make it sound like they might have to just choose not to buy am organic chicken and get a bag of fillets for 3 quid in Iceland instead.

People will be locked into phone contracts and loan repayments and car payments etc . Benefits will barely cover the rent let alone anything else

For all we know the UK could be the country that has the longest lockdown.. until the end of the year? How do we know? There's no plan.

Oh and the website having to close today - how did they filter who got a test ? How do they know people didn't buy them just in case they feel ill? Or were actually key workers?

I don't trust them to do anything sensibly

I'm a key worker and couldn't get on to that testing site. I checked straight after I received the email about it this morning.

@MiggensMs
I'm not saying all employers are unscrupulous but some will take advantage
There are no 'winners' in this situation it's highly complex and difficult to manage.
As an employer you do legally have to reasonably consider the health and safety of your employees and if you cannot reasonably safeguard that then you need to consider how you run aspects of your business - good businesses will do this, swapping roles around, changing roles, changing working practices but some will carry on as business as usual and nothing has happened.
Employees of course should be fulfilling their contractual obligations but shouldn't have to risk their life to do so.
I suspect those that do the least for their employees will often be those that could afford some flexibility (only have to look at businesses which paid bonuses and dividends, hoarding their cash reserves but instantly made redundancies and claimed furlough cash)but it will be smaller businesses which probably have less resources and 'flex' in the business models which will try the hardest.
I've been the employer in the hard place and it's a horrible place to be with often no 'good choices' to be made just least worst.

A couple of weeks back I was all for lifting the lockdown asap, but I now owe my life to it.

I got seriously ill last week (not covid) and was rushed to hospital in a critical condition. Luckily there was capacity to treat/save me but I would have died without medical care.

I keep thinking, what if there was no lockdown/social distancing and the virus left to run rampant through the population... I'd probably have turned up to A and E to find there was no capacity to treat me.

There must be a lot of people like me who have not got the virus, but would die without medical treatment if the health service was overwhelmed.
Although hospitals are cancelling outpatient clinics and elective surgery, NHS is still there for serious emergencies thank god.

@dbml if you think if lock down is lifted next week people will just flock back to these businesses then I think you are wrong. People were already boycotting businesses before lock down. I think a lot of people are a lot more cautious than the government is.
Of course some people will use the services, but not enough to make most of them viable.
Whether we are in lock down or not will make little difference to the viability of most of these businesses. What will make a difference is when deaths go down and people feel safe enough to use these businesses again.

@angelsonbareskin Given we are already on track to have the highest death rate in Europe then who knows.

People will be locked into phone contracts and loan repayments and car payments etc . Benefits will barely cover the rent let alone anything else

I know. There's hell of a lot of people finding that out right now. Not because they're in hospital with covid, or at home recovering from covid, or because a household has lost the main income earner to covid. They're finding out because of the lockdown. So it's okay for them to suffer financially but not those who need to continue to shield? Says it all really.

These threads always make me feel a bit sick. I don't know why I read them.

I don't think we should lockdown until October nor do I think 500k deaths is acceptable. I think its abhorrent. I am somewhere in between.

There are some lovely people on this thread and some disgusting ones. Just glad I don't know them in real life but this virus has highlighted to me even more the selfishness and strange views of some people. All of which we are entitled too.

@angelsonbareskin Given we are already on track to have the highest death rate in Europe then who knows.

Please stop spreading this nonsense. No one has any idea what the death rate is until we know the percentage of the population infected.

Then, is has to be refined by risk factor.

Whether or not anyone likes the financial hardship at 2.4 billion pounds a day its gonna a come to an end like it or not.

You cant accuse people who fave no choice but to go back to work as somehow not prepared to make sacrifices to continue to shield loved ones who need it

You made it sound like others just arent trying hard enough or choosing to make the sacrifices.

Of business go back to work fact is we will have to go back to work. its notable case of not caring

I agree with sunglasses123 about the NHS capacity.

I appreciate they don't want to start full scale again as we don't know for sure we've passed peak, but surely based on the previous days numbers someone could take the decision that the following day they could do a small number of cancer screenings and critical operations. I'm sure the patients concerned would be happy enough to be flexible about short notice and potentially long waits. I'm sure it's not as simple as that, but it seems such an obvious thing to be considering that surely they must be looking at it.

Although hospitals are cancelling outpatient clinics and elective surgery, NHS is still there for serious emergencies thank god

Well that's fine then. We won't worry that DH has been told that he won't get the appointment he needs any time soon because if his lung collapses while he's waiting for it he can just be whisked off in an ambulance to A&E. I feel so much better for knowing that.

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Cantory, by your thinking who do you think is going to pay all these benefits, support the unemployed. According to you a lot of businesses will go bust!

There will always be the worried well, the people who are glass half empty on everything that they do. Every time I jump in the car, get on a plane, even cross the road I take a risk.

You sound cautious and wanting to have all the i's dotted and the t's crossed before you do anything. That is fine but once lockdown is announced the hairdressers (at least my one!) will be in great demand. I intend to book a holiday - goodness knows where. I could stay at home of course - wait and see but honestly - life is just too short.

Friends and family feel the same.

See I don’t understand those that want to stay in lockdown. What exactly are you waiting for? Lockdown was always to buy the NHS time, which we have done. It wasn’t to stop everyone getting it