I can’t see an end to this.. 😔

[Mummypig2020]

God I’m really struggling the past few days.

I just want to see some light at the end of the tunnel. It just feels like constant negative news and nothing about the near future.

It makes me so sad. How are other countries starting to go “back to normal”? But we aren’t?

Many countries that are now opening up, shut down earlier and faster than we did, and quarantined everyone who entered the country for 14 days when they did. And they're smaller populations to begin with. We didn't do any of that in a timely manner ... still aren't doing it as far as I know (quarantining arrivals)... and here we are, with probably another 1000 dead today, as they're still not 'counting' non-hospital deaths properly.

I think yes we need to question what 'they' are doing, no we can't look back and blame too much right now. with liberties comes responsibility. we will need to prepare for living in a different more challenging world for sure.

Still not quarantining anyone as far as I know, as someone I know arrived from abroad yesterday and caught taxi home

Jasjas1973 - Learn from China? You've got to be joking.

Not everyone lives in a respectable area with their own back garden. I feel sorry for people in flats with children, especially in unpleasant surroundings. Including domestic abusers.
People sunbathing in parks, were they really hurting anyone providing they kept their distance? People are jumping over each other in supermarkets and flights of people are still arriving at UK airports.
I think most people have generally followed the guidelines.

We can’t compare this to a ww2 though. That lasted five years and people were getting their homes looted immediately after being bombed. It wasn’t all cheerful spirit.
However, people didn’t generally own their homes, no mortgages, no credit cards or things on finance.
People will be damaged financially, the UK economy relies on people borrowing. Hard to tell at this stage the economic impact. We generally follow the USA , when things go south there, we aren’t that far behind.

Gosh, I think it's fair to say opinion is divided.

Let's not be silly about it. No one wants the NHS to fail. Everyone wants this to work. Everyone wants the shortest lockdown with the lowest death rate.

But we are where we are and I expected more if our government because we have so much. We've done badly. I'm not saying Corbyn would have done better. But there should be politicians in this country capable of more than serial incompetence. We've got accustomed to it. We should expect more.

Going against the grain here but i am vulnerable health wise and it was a relief to have lock down and to be allowed to WFH (I only work PT) and not to have the worry and risk of anyone else going out to school or work and bringing the virus home.

The DC are well into secondary they are motivated and fortunately don't require any input from me for homeschooling. DH is also working from home which is nice as we are all working in separate rooms, can both have a lie in and have more time on an evening. We see each other at lunch times if the kids come down.

I am gutted we will miss our summer holiday and weekends away. But we are both still working and being paid, not rushing about and feeling tired (most of the time), saving a fortune on petrol, travel, lunches, coffees etc etc. I miss not seeing my parents and friends face to face for a proper night out. But i am enjoying exercising, seeing family and friends and doing quizzes etc virtually, appreciating the nice weather and the birds singing and I could live like this for a good while longer. I am just grateful to be safe and alive right now.

@jasjas1973

I have no time for heroes. That’s for later. Cowards and anarchists are abundant.

I think you are anti-European. I think your glass is half empty and I don’t think your personal research is up to much. There is much more going on behind the scenes than you can imagine.

And yet you berate the U.K. for sending PPE to Europe then say we are going it alone. You are all mixed up. Very mixed up!

The U.K. is at the forefront of trials. I have no doubt of that. A few years ago, I volunteered and was accepted in trials for a new treatment for a form of cancer that kills thousands of people in the U.K. every year. I accepted all risks and came through and I knew I would because I trusted the team around me - the NHS - to succeed. To give me life.

I owe them my life and thousands of people will do so now because of what is going on today. If you think the Government are ‘wearing the trousers’ today, at this moment in time, you are very wrong. The NHS at all levels is more powerful than you believe and they are fighting a rearguard action every day at those who want to take them down.

Nobody is going it alone.

What is this word anarchist? What exactly is it implying?

Also those people who panic brought toilet roll and pasta, knowing other people wouldn’t be able to buy such things, I Hope are suitably ashamed of themselves.
It showed us that there’s lots of selfish people out there too.

Take one day at a time. Take a step back from the news - it's all negative at the moment. Don't think about where the end is - no one knows.

List all the things you are grateful for. Find a way to escape - read a good book, take a bath, exercise, keep your diet healthy.

One day at a time - one day closer to normality, whatever that might be x

I know 5 people who have died of Covid 19, 3 friends of friends, one work colleague, one of my oldest, closest friends.

I know we will need to ease the lockdown soon to keep the Economy going but I am in no rush!
Yes it's boring, yes I miss my friends and family but my god I don't want to lose any more people to this virus!

TBH, I'm less worried about the lockdown then the aftershocks of all this, but trying not to think about that!

I'm not really looking at figures of anything this week, but will be interested to see what happens at the end of this week and next - this being the critical time as it's a month after lockdown and when you start seeing the deaths that happened after it (they still take a couple of weeks to come through).

It feels to me like the one thing the gov has done right, though it remains to be seen, is not having a super harsh 'no going out at all unless shopping' rule like Spain and Italy. TBH I think it's mainly because the government hasn't got the resources to enforce it, but it doesn't look like walking around outside is a significant risk for contagion even if distance isn't always observed perfectly

I think we just have to be realistic we are where we are. Lockdown does not eradicate the virus just presses pause . I think we will just go in cycles of some form of restrictions for a longtime..
If we would of lockdown earlier then what you can't lockdown forever soon as you open up again just starts a cycle of new infections.
It's about managing the infection rate .
We have virus with no cure on the loose locking down does not make it go away the horrific fact is 1000's are going to die. which in not helped by us being one of the fattest and unhealthiset countries in europe.
I think some people think there a magic wand or a silver bullet to stop people dying there's no cure .
The 1000's that died in hospital were being looked after and still died . I think the problem is people would sooner apportion blame than face the fact it's a killer virus with no cure.
The people who have died in hospital did not die due to lack of money or care they died because there is no medical cure for CV

@AvalancheKit

You don't have time for heroes ??? thought you said it was a war?

We are not sending PPE to help out our closest neighbours but because of incompetence and inability for our govt to purchase from UK manufacturers.
The NHS isn't perfect, a long list of public enquiries into what they've done or not done is testament to that but i'm glad you get solace from your belief.

Your language makes me think you may be some sort of wannabe US style survivalist, so i'll leave you to your war time analogies and rhetoric.

@Mamamia456 Sorry meant in regard to how they locked down and the seriousness they took the virus, which for a country not renowned for caring about their citizens, should have made us all take CV a little more seriously, i certainly didn't.

There are some countries with lockdowns that allow unlimited walking outside while keeping a distance. Maybe the UK could relax to that?

@ov9. I agree, We have had a pathetic , shambolic load of fools leading the country, headed up by the Chief Narc, Boris.
Now we have Tom and Vera Lynn et al.

The people who have died in hospital did not die due to lack of money or care they died because there is no medical cure for CV

True but perhaps if we look at Germany and their quick medical intervention, then maybe we can learn from their experiences?
Our PM was taken into hospital early and is making a good recovery, Hancock says we have 3000 pus critical care beds not being used AND the Nightingale hospitals are all empty.
We don't need to be telling quite so many people to self treat.

I think the change that will come will be when there is a treatment that works well in the serious cases. Plasma with antibodies most likely. It may not work for everybody though.

This may be helpful but it made me feel differently about being in lockdown...

There are countries in Africa that aren't going into lockdown because there's no point flattening the curve. It doesn't matter how low they get it. There is no number beneath which they could accommodate covid patients. Since many people earn the cash they use to eat the food they eat on a daily basis, lockdown would mean certain starvation. But the UN warns they are facing famines anyway, of biblical proportions.

They have no 111. No government even pretending there will ever be a ventilator. And the virus will rip through these nations. It won't be a case of just lifting the lid briefly before slamming it again, as with the UK. The exponential growth will go up in a nation where diseases that we eradicated long ago have created their own vulnerable pockets of society. We'll let it happen. We won't do everything we can. We're too obsessed with problems that are real to us but, taken in a global context, are sometimes closer to privileges.

This doesn't make our hardships go away but we need to remember that some of our difficulties are options we are lucky to have and protect resources that others don't share. That said, I feel we've squandered what we have in so many ways.

I get how you feel OP, I feel deflated at the end of every single day. I have stopped watching the daily press briefing at 5pm, but foolishly watched it today, and felt crappy afterwards.

I just feel that we need some greater honesty from the government - They must have some outline plans at the very least. Whilst they can’t give us specific dates (& I completely get this), they could start to discuss what life might look like post lockdown / pre vaccine. They could discuss general ideas around how social distancing will continue whilst allowing us to get back to work / potentially school / visit family etc. We need to hear those things in order to keep us going. We don’t need dates set in stone, we just need some plans to hold on to, to give us all hope. We’re not children who can’t be trusted with the truth.

Even Chris Whitty today admitted that people have adhered to the lockdown significantly more than was ever anticipated.

re police: I live in a village and have seen 1-2 police cars on my last few walks.?

*Nomorepoliticsplease
*
You make me feel so much better when I read your messages
There's so much scaremongering on here.
Thank you for being so positive

0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h
Agree with you - we locked down far too late. Boris was too busy incommunicado trying to sort his divorce out rather than take note what was going on with the rest of the world. Wish him the best in his recovery but his handling has been a disgrace. It’s going to be an eye opener too for the people who voted for brexit too when they realise how many foreigners actually came and WORKED in this country in low paid jobs like fruit picking and cleaners that we cant get now because they can’t get into the country. Gonna be lots of complaints when they can’t get their strawberries cos no one here wants to pick them.