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WorriesomeDad · 21/04/2020 00:34

Thread for continuing long-term Coronavirus support

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WorriesomeDad · 27/04/2020 15:02

Right, huge apologies for the mega long post. Article in today’s Telegraph. I did try to link it but it’s behind a paywall. I’ve taken the the liberty to copy and paste as I reckon quite a few of you would be interested to read:

“It’s been almost six weeks since Dr Jennifer Cassidy first became ill with coronavirus. A generally healthy 32-year-old employed as an academic at the University of Oxford, she would have expected to bounce back relatively quickly from what we are told is usually a mild illness when contracted by those her age. Yet Dr Cassidy, who was admitted to hospital twice with the virus, has still not fully recovered.
“I don’t feel sick, I don’t feel like I have a temperature or anything, but when I started to become better, I was like, ‘ok, that’s it,’ and went full steam ahead, getting work done and trying to go for a daily walk,” she says. “I pushed it a little too far but just presumed this wouldn’t [set back] my recovery. But last Sunday, a week into doing that, I can’t describe how tired I was. It was one of the worst days of the whole episode. It was like an out of body experience. I’d never been so tired in my entire life. I did a 15-minute walk to get shopping and I could hardly make it back.” Dr Cassidy, from Dublin originally, is among an indeterminate number ofcoronavirus patientswho, many weeks after their symptoms first appeared, are still struggling to shake them off entirely. These aren’t people who are fighting for their lives in hospital; they’re not necessarily old or suffering from underlying health conditions (Dr Cassidy had previously had surgery from which she’d promptly recovered). But a growing body of anecdotal evidence suggests the virus can have a long tail, and recovery from it can take far longer than many of us might have imagined.
The novelty of the virus means relatively little research exists on howlong recoverycan take, but according to NHS guidelines, those with mild symptoms should not leave home for at least seven days. In mid-February, a report of the World Health Organisation-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease found that “Using available preliminary data, the median time from onset to clinical recovery for mild cases is approximately 2 weeks and is 3-6 weeks for patients with severe or critical disease.”
But the lived experience of a number of those who have had what would be classed as mild cases is that it can take far longer. Diane*, 47, from London, is on day 38 of the illness and still suffering from some of the symptoms. After contracting the virus, she experienced a range of respiratory complaints, struggling to breathe and enduring pains in her chest. When given medical advice by her GP over the phone, she was told she “probably had mild pneumonia” but didn’t need hospital treatment.
Now, she says: “I’m basically better but yesterday I started having all the breathing issues again. I was coughing and my airways and throat felt like they were full of cotton wool. It’s one step forward, two steps back. Just when you think you’re over it, it returns.”
Friends of hers who believe they have also had the virus have reported similar experiences. “One who thought she was better woke up in the middle of the night having convulsions in her legs. She’s got chest pains that refuse to go away three weeks in,” she says.
“At the start, we were led to believe that unless you were over 70 and had an underlying condition it was going to be a mild illness. But if you’re struggling to breathe, it’s freaky.”
Diane’s husband, who has had the virus for slightly longer than her and more severely (albeit not requiring hospital treatment), is also still suffering from breathing problems and is feeling exceptionally tired. “He’s 52 but he’s really fit, he’s not overweight, and normally he rarely gets ill,” says Diane.
Concerned about why she was still not back to normal, even more than a month on, Diane joined anonline support groupset up by New York writer and yoga teacher Fiona Lowenstein for those experiencingCovid-19 symptomsor recovering from the virus. She says it is filled with thousands of Britons and Americans discussing the surprising longevity of their symptoms, and the anxiety this has provoked. “It’s unbelievable,” she says. “There are about 25 threads and one is called ‘30 days plus’. Lots of people are posting about how they’ve still got numerous symptoms and their relief at finding out that they’re not alone. There’s a lot of mental health issues being discussed too, people are scared and anxious. The Americans in the group are being given some medical attention, but in the UK people feel like they’ve been left high and dry with no medical care at all unless they’re at death’s door.”
Experts say it’s too early to conclude anything specific about the course of recovery in people with Covid-19, because the effects of the virus vary enormously between individuals and more research needs to be done. But the British Lung Foundation points out that it can take weeks or months to recover from any pneumonia and get back to normal. As well as having a cough and breathlessness, fatigue is also common for such patients, the charity says.
Dr Bharat Pankhania, a senior clinical lecturer at the University of Exeter, says we’re learning new things about coronavirus all the time, but that it’s well known some people with an illness will remain infected - and infectious - for a much longer period than others.
“The majority [of cases] I feel would be between seven to 14 days but I expect a significant number to be at the extremes of that,” he says. “I also feel that with more knowledge accumulating, the infectiousness, the length of illness, and the period of infectiousness may be quite variable and different in different people.”
So how can those recovering from Covid-19 at home determine when they can safely leave the house without risking spreading the virus? “The truthful answer is we don’t know [if we’ve stopped being infectious],” says Dr Pankhania, who has worked as a senior consultant in communicable disease control. “Beyond the one month stage, I think you’re symptomatic but not infectious. You’re symptomatic because you’re recovering from the virus. “Could you be infectious after the first two weeks? Yes. By the third week? Maybe. By the fourth week? Possibly. With the passage of days the infectiousness does diminish. I would conjecture that you’re only infectious in the early period.”
Generally speaking, most people seem to make a good recovery within two months although some seem to have signs and symptoms that last for much longer, he adds.
Earlier this month, it was reported that 51 patients who had recovered from coronavirus in South Korea had tested positive again, suggesting thevirus could be reactivated. Scientists at the country’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said at the time they believed the virus may lie dormant in human cells. But Dr Pankhania says there’s currently no conclusive evidence the virus remains dormant in your body and then reactivates.
Dr Cassidy, who had been warned her immune system could be slightly compromised since she’d had brain surgery, recognises she is one of the lucky ones: although a few weeks ago all she could focus on was being able to breathe, she has survived the virus. But, as someone who even after surgery was back at work within days, she naturally feels frustration that many weeks after her coronavirus started she still can’t function as normal. “I’m really annoyed that I can’t concentrate, and I’m so tired,” she says. “Sometimes you feel like, ‘oh, I’m insane, or maybe I’m just lazy,’ because everyone’s saying you should be productive and so on. [My doctor] said ‘you’ve had a really bad bout of it and it’s going to take a while to recover,’ but that was just one voice.”
Few others have been quite so frank about the toll it can take on the body, she feels.
“It’s played down unless it’s very deathly,” she says. “But there is a middle ground.”

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Lightsabre · 27/04/2020 15:05

I had some bloods done on Saturday privately. There is one they can do that shows up heart issues but I can't remember the name of it.

onlinelinda · 27/04/2020 15:05

@OneDayAtATime123 , I know that lungs don't move mucus as effectively if you're not drinking enough.

I'm not sure when you had your test, but I have been told by a medical professional that they are only 75% reliable. I think timing is critical too.

mumlurker · 27/04/2020 15:09

@WorriesomeDad

Wow, great article. I feel like we're all finally starting to get some recognition...I did laugh at the author being a bit shocked by the notion of '30 days plus' - a mere 30 days seems like nothing!

Lightsabre · 27/04/2020 15:13

@OneDayAtATime123, thanks for sharing your result. Can I ask what day of the virus did you test on?

@WorriesomeDad, thanks for sharing that article - it was interesting.

Moodgie · 27/04/2020 15:15

@WorriesomeDad Thank you for the article. How are you today?

OneDayAtATime123 · 27/04/2020 15:16

@Lightsabre Day 36.

OneDayAtATime123 · 27/04/2020 15:20

@onlinelinda
I agree with you on false negatives. Will try and get another one after a week or so.
Having said that, my energy levels have improved a lot and my SoB symptoms have decreased in intensity and duration.
Regarding hydration, the reason I mentioned electrolytes was because it seemed to lower my heart rate to normal after struggling with rapid HR.
The path to full recovery continues ..........

WorriesomeDad · 27/04/2020 15:51

Hey Moodgie, bit crap if I’m honest. A good run of three four days has ended with another dip, hence trawling the Internet for reassurance!

Most other stuff seems to have faded apart from this bloody chest tightness and SOB has returned from yesterday morning. It was so nice to have some time without it!

Hope you’re having a good day?

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WorriesomeDad · 27/04/2020 15:54

@fedupofbed hope all goes well. @OneDayAtATime123 that sounds good. Hope it’s steady away from here for you

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Egghead68 · 27/04/2020 15:57

@onlinelinda I think you are right. I am just fantasising about Joe Wicks really (not in that way!!) My main exercise is walking plus a little static cycling.

Another great article thanks @WorriesomeDad. I hope you are doing OK today.

Not sure if it’s been raised on here but I was very disappointed in the BBC News website article about how long it takes to recover from Covid-19. It doesn’t seem to mention our group at all (to my reading).

OneDayAtATime123 · 27/04/2020 15:58

@WorriesomeDad
Someone on this forum had talked about buying a spirometer. I bought one yesterday and have tried it a few times . It does seem to help with SoB for me.

Moodgie · 27/04/2020 15:58

@WorriesomeDad Sorry to hear that. Stuck here too. Sore throat lingers with the scratchy windpipe. Had a shower, dried my hair and the breathing is heavier after that. Wonder if that was enough exertion to bring it back. Don’t know if I want to scream or cry.

Egghead68 · 27/04/2020 15:59

@WorriesomeDad just seen you are having a bad day so please forgive my question above. I am sorry to hear that and hope tomorrow is better.

pinkoneblueone · 27/04/2020 16:26

@OneDayAtATime123 I think I that's what I have ordered I am really hoping it has the same effect for me I am not sure when I can expect it to arrive as yet but I so happy to see it helped!

Bubbinsmakesthree · 27/04/2020 16:31

Joining in as I’ve gone past the 40 day mark.

My symptoms have been mild for the most part (only a couple of days were bad enough to stop me working from home) but the fatigue and SOB just won’t go away - I had a couple of good days last week but relapsed.

Really struggling to know how much to plough on (I’m doing a full time job and have two young DC so rely on working early and late). Feel like I am just making it up with my colleagues as I’m doing zoom meetings etc and don’t appear ill (other than a cough) but my energy levels are so low.

Sometimes I think I just need to keep going, and more exercise would help (I’m normally active but have been practically sedentary the last six weeks). Other times I think attempting even small amounts of activity like playing in garden with DC is too much and setting me back.

Kitcat122 · 27/04/2020 17:02

Great article @WorrisomeDad. Makes me feel better. Into my 7th week now. Feel absolutely fine but still my chest is off. Can work, do housework and go for walks with the kids fine. Went for a walk with a short but very steep hill today and bam!! Couldn't breathe and chest really hurt. Definitely improving each day but very very slowly.

pinkoneblueone · 27/04/2020 17:16

Did any of you get a we weepy chest feeling, I've had or twice and it feels like it's beginning to happen again. I really hate it but thought I was past this.

OneDayAtATime123 · 27/04/2020 17:18

@pinkoneblueone Thanks for mentioning something like this on this forum. I would have not known otherwise.

Needsomegoodnews · 27/04/2020 17:20

Thanks for that article @WorriesomeDad - I think it helps us all to at least see acknowledgement of our experience of this in the public domain. I just hope it inspires some monitoring to determine what is actually going on regarding infection status and overall health implications.

Day 42 since all this started and chest pain radiating to back is today’s treat (after having a couple of days without chest pain at all). On a positive note, my temp hasn’t gone above 37.5 for 3 or 4 days so I’m hoping that’s a good sign.

alittleprivacy · 27/04/2020 17:20

A womanly chest tightness question. Who is wearing bras? I'm fairly large breasted and if I don't wear a bra I get worse chest pain, like my inflamed tissue is being pulled on. And if I do wear a bra I get a different type of chest pain chest pain, like the inflamed tissue is being pressed on. The latter is worse as it make the back pain worse but neither is good. I'm wearing these crappy crop vest type things that are about the best compromise I've found but it's not great.

Cityonlockdown · 27/04/2020 17:25

Day 43 ish,

alittleprivacy No way to the bra, absolutely not. Far too much pain.

Another posters G.P menrioned rhis, and it can be caused by a virus it seems,

www.healthline.com/health/costochondritis#symptoms

Porcupineinwaiting · 27/04/2020 17:40

Bra? Shock No, not since 17th March. Tight chest, sob, sore ribs - norks go free. Grin

Egghead68 · 27/04/2020 17:54

No bra until yesterday (which was day 36/37) when I wore my softest one on the loosest setting.

Moodgie · 27/04/2020 17:57

No bra or jeans.