How long can we carry on like this for?

[Pseudosudocrem]

Anyone else starting to wonder just how long we can carry on like this before everything irrevocably falls apart?

How will we ever recover as a country?

Nike- you are correct but I’m not sure that opinion will go down well on here.

One of my biggest concern of it all is when things re open like zoos and parks and softplays and shopping centres, people will carelessly flock in their masses an it will all flare up again. I think we are in this for the long haul. And tbh it's for the best. Another of my biggest concern is when this all ends or fades away , will it rear its ugly head again. A lot of theories have come up as to this is possibly a bio weapon from China and if so, how can we stop anything like this happening again. Where does it end, when will it happen again, could something worse happen. It's all really worrying.

The lockdown is here for a reason and a lot of people are not adhering to the rules. I am really anxious about all of those but you just got to stay positive and optimistic. I also just put my trust in God and hope for the best.

@alloutoffucks

What happens when lots of the doctors and nurses die? Is there an endless supply of them?

People can get new jobs, houses and holidays. No one gets a second life. Don’t be selfish. 90% of the deaths from Covid-19 could have been prevented by social distancing measures.

Why not read about all the health care workers who have died here: www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/doctors-nurses-porters-volunteers-the-uk-health-workers-who-have-died-from-covid-19

@woodchuck99 I agree. Businesses were begging for the lock down because people had dried up. And they had to stay open but had no government help.
Sure places that cater to the stupid will be full. I can think of a few pubs in my city that I can imagine will be full. But not anywhere most reasonable people would actually want to go.

*The over 70s are a massive drain on public finances.

It is this age group that are most likely to die, awful as it is to say, the decrease in number of this age group will hugely benefit the economy*

Do you have some official figures to offer as evidence for this?

How many of our cancer patients will die when the funding is cut for their drugs and it will be cut in a recession. They have children, they deserve a health economy.

They may be more likely to die if they catch coronavirus which could easily happen if a high proportion of the population becomes infected. Many are not currently receiving treatment because it involves immunosuppression which could put them at very high risk.

My friend has a nail salon
She is busy setting up Perspex type partitions so that each table is pretty much enclosed from the next table.
Where the nail technicians sit there is a Perspex screen in front of them and the customer puts there hand through the bottom bit ( hope that makes sense ) so that both the nail technician and the customer are protected from each other .
She is hoping that by doing this she can hit the ground running and be ahead of her competition when she reopens
I expect this sort of individual type pods will be common in beauty salons and maybe hairdressers in the future
Although I do wonder how Health Spas that do massages will manage as they are already in individual rooms

@BelleSausage Sorry I am being sarcastic. I want us to be in lock down and save lives. Others clearly want lock down to end and I am worried that will happen.
If it did and I worked in the NHS I would walk and get a job elsewhere.

Think is it’s ok saying it’s for the best but is it? Only time will tell on that.

I think people will be getting restless pretty soon.

At the moment we’re all pretty much in the same boat so we’re all complying. The government acknowledges that compliance has been higher than expected.

A vaccine is by no means guaranteed and somehow we’re all going to have to live alongside this virus.

As a society and an economy we can’t function like this for any prolonged period of time. Once the rates start falling I think the government will decide on the greatest good for the greatest number.

Hi op

I just hope that we come out of lockdown after the next 3 weeks of lockdown.
We really do need some normality. I want to go back to work and not shield.

@alloutoffucks

Oh, sorry! I bungled that one.

You are so vital and you and all the other NHS workers need protecting. SIL is a student nurse and has just been put to work in a hotspot hospital. We are so worried.

I hope everyone reads that link. It is horrifying.

The thing is, even if they end lockdown, there is no guarantee businesses will survive. Everyone will be more careful with their money, many may continue to stay home. I certainly wouldn't be going to a cafe or similar now even if I wasn't one of the vulnerable.

I think many people will be the same. Aside from the fact my local school couldn't reopen as most of the teachers fall into the shielding group for one reason or another. What happens to shielded group too? I could stay home but my husband needs to work. My friend's 8 year old is shielded but her parents need to work. It is quite complicated really.

It will have such a big impact on the economy and everything else. What can we do. We need to come out of this when the peaks over, numbers are decreasing and schools last. Everything should open in drips and drabs. Not everything opening all at once. I dread to imagine all the young adults and pub patrons cramming in together like a tin of sardines on the first night they open and lockdown happens again. That would be utterly ridiculous

Accept :
1.THIS IS A GLOBAL DISASTER.
2.This is not normal.
3.Nothing will return to the old normal for the foreseeable future globally

1. The current situation is the new norm.

I accept that many are still in the first 2 stages of grieving ...
Denial/shock >anger >acceptance> adjusting.

Don’t let this eat you up. We are strong and we will get through it. It’s hard to process the whole thing because we can’t see the threat in a concrete manner so the threat doesn’t feel real when it is.

I think the only way we can do it is by rolling lockdown until we either have a vaccine or herd immunity. Month on/month off type thing depending on numbers to stop the nhs being overwhelmed.

Not ideal and god knows how schools, etc will manage but what’s the alternative?

We stay locked down and the economy tanks beyond recovery?

Or we give up and sacrifice a significant amount of people?

@alloutoffucks
I would have to disagree, I work as a counsellor for Macmillan focusing on terminally ill patients. I care about them. Lots of the, are telling me they do not want to spend their last weeks/months in lockdown.
I also care about the young mums who have breast cancer who will not get the best (expensive) treatment. Who will die in 2 years time because there is no funding.
I worry a lot about the abuse charity I volunteer for who have already had 2 clients murdered.
I have family members MIL and FIL who are both in the very vulnerable group COPD heart disease. They haven’t seen their grandchildren and they want to be able too. She at least will leave the house as soon as she can. It’s not as simple as I don’t care about others and want to go to the cinema.

@BelleSausage Sorry I do not work for the NHS. I said if I did.
And sorry I know there are so many outrageous statements on here that sarcasm is probably not as obvious as it should be.

@alloutoffucks

Reading comprehension is not my forte today. I blame lockdown 😂😭

Those people who think it will end in 3 weeks have no idea. We will never go back to where we were.

they think that 80% of the population will get it without measures to control it

They "think" many things but I'm not at all convinced of this, remembering that fewer than 20% of the Diamond Princess people caught it - and that was on a floating petri dish with an elderly demographic

Nor are we seeing the hideous numbers of deaths which were suggested "even if measures were taken", though far too many excess deaths have been reported which have nothing to do with CV but may be the result of too many other things going by the wayside

Awful as it is, CV isn't the only issue which needs thinking about and what we need is balance ... which unfortunately seems at a bit of a premium right now

My worry is this thing is going to be around every year now, like the flu/ common cold. I hope I’m wrong. I’ve not read the science on whether it has already or is likely to mutate if it hasn’t yet that is a good sign at least.

Getting my head around all of this gets it in a spin - goodness knows what the government and opposition go through.

At the moment I can see cafes opening more for takeaway when we finally come out of lockdown. To be honest there is no way I'm going to a restaurant or even for a sit down cuppa until we are vaccinated or we have some way of knowing if we are immune. I'm not prepared to take the risk to keep a business in business. They'll have to adapt to my way of using them or I vote with my feet.

Similarly I can't understand cinemas at the moment. Completely closed. With technology is it beyond the scheme of things to offer a film night - charge £5 per TV set to show the new Peter Rabbit or Black Widow or whatever. There are loads of films that have been shelved over the past month that could be making some money. Because people won't go to the cinema when it opens - it's not easy to do social distancing.

Businesses are going to have to adapt, change working times, change what they offer, adapt what they offer. For example, in our town we have a cafe which has it's takeaway section at the back. Now who is going to walk through a cafe full of people when we re-open the country? Not me, I'll go to the cafe with the takeaway section at the front. If I'm brave enough to walk through the cafe, I'd be brave enough to sit down.

There will be more to come climate change is still happening

I think there will come a point where people's desperation at being out of work, or trying to work and homeschool, or isolation at home will override their feelings of societal responsibility for the lives of people they neither know nor care about

I agree with this.