How long can we carry on like this for?

[Pseudosudocrem]

Anyone else starting to wonder just how long we can carry on like this before everything irrevocably falls apart?

How will we ever recover as a country?

@BeijingBikini Some of those businesses like Debenhams were on every MN thread about what business folds next. Yes businesses that were already vulnerable will go under. They are the equivalent of humans who were already close to death.

Yes but a collapsed economy will cause mass death, won't it? How will we pay for the NHS?

I know that it's too early to come out of lockdown. I don't have any clue what the government should do. But it's not as simple as lives or the economy

Anyone working will be covering those not.

You going to pay my mortgage? Universal credit won't.

@LudaMusser It is actually looking likely a vaccine may never be possible. There are too many people who're testing positive again after recovering due to extremely low antibody counts.

If being infected by the live virus doesn't get you producing antibodies, no way in hell a deactivated (vaccine) form will.

Sorry I was answering how people can afford to sit it out. I think the ones who can work from home can, the ones who can get benefits to cover costs can, the rest (and it’s not clear how many this is) can’t so will I would guess have to change jobs?

Working from home won’t produce food, clothing, medicines. It won’t treat you when you are ill, it won’t produce electricity or provide water and internet services.

Benefits? Who will pay for those?

Get another job? Good luck in a recession, if you are 40 or so and need to pay the mortgage now.

Why don’t people think before they post?

Yes the economy is going to suffer, but what is worse - mass death or money trouble

The kind of money trouble we'd be heading for with "infinite lockdown" would equal mass death.

Yes businesses that were already vulnerable will go under

I get that, and totally agree that Debenhams were on their way out anyway, but the saddest thing is that lots of healthy businesses will go bust too. Successful cafes and restaurants that won't be able to turn a profit if they have to have 1/4 of the tables because of social distancing. Cake shops that will have little business because there are no big weddings or parties. Small independent shops. Travel companies and airlines (yes this might be a good thing as we were over-flying). But lots of businesses that were strong could be wiped out.

Anyone working will be covering those not

They'll be paying us my DH's full wage will they? Could they start immediately? I'm very grateful for the furlough scheme but the 20% drop in income is a worry. And could they pay us the large amount of overtime he usually does? We're really missing that.

If we're not going to treat people in early stages with oxygen intervention but just leave them at home until they turn blue and can't speak, then we might just as well lift lockdown tomorrow.

I don’t understand why we’re doing this either. If there is capacity in hospitals, it would make much more sense to bring in people that need 1-2 days of oxygen. Instead we seem to be leaving people at home unless they are literally grey and crawling on all fours with sepsis kicking in. Does anyone know why?

The sun is suggesting pubs close until Christmas.

This speculation isn't helping anyone. The
Media are winding us all right up as per.

@CKoRn I am personally holding out a lot of hope for the drug trials ongoing atm for existing drugs; HCQ, vitamin D, BCG vaccine, blood plasma therapy, remdesivir, etc.

These drugs are already licensed for other diseases and have an acceptable safety profile, so would only need efficacy testing, and are already in mass production. If catching the disease won't give you immunity, how would a vaccine even work?

@Goatymcgoaty I can only assume it's lack of staff and possibly lack of oxygen/equipment. Otherwise it really doesn't explain why the Nightingales aren't being used for this.

@beijingbikini they'd be aiming to engineer the vaccine in such a way that it DOES provoke an immune response, even if the wild virus doesn't

Yes lack of staff

I don’t understand why we’re doing this either. If there is capacity in hospitals, it would make much more sense to bring in people that need 1-2 days of oxygen. Instead we seem to be leaving people at home unless they are literally grey and crawling on all fours with sepsis kicking in. Does anyone know why?

Yes, because we are saving the NHS. It’s more important than the economy so we have to stay in, but it’s also more important than the people who are paying for it and who it supposedly it’s there to serve, so they can’t go to a hospital because it will be overwhelmed. At the same time while wards are empty because everything else has been cancelled.

It’s madness.

Most WFH jobs require other people to actually be out doing stuff. I cannot think of any industry where individuals can all be WFH without someone else generating work.

I can. Higher education would be one. Regardless not everyone has to work at home in order for infections to reduce. It will happen as long as the majority in an industry are working at home.

Yes we do have cars fully insured sitting on the drive way. Unless we are out of lockdown one will not be getting replaced. Therefore less for the insurance industry.

And what if your car gets stolen? I will certainly be insuring mine whether or not it is on the road.

Who is stealing cars during lockdown? Everyone is indoors and looking out of the window to check that the neighbours aren't going out twice. And the PoPo are out on every street corner...

How do the majority of the construction industry work from home? DH drives dump trucks and loading shovels and digging thingys... he's not going to be doing that in my sitting room

Yes but a collapsed economy will cause mass death, won't it? How will we pay for the NHS?

Loads of businesses are still running. Some are doing better than ever. Shops on the high street have been closing at a high rate anyway and this will just speed it up. Employees from restaurants and café's will have to get different jobs. The whole economy won't collapse permanently and cause mass deaths.

Who is stealing cars during lockdown? Everyone is indoors and looking out of the window to check that the neighbours aren't going out twice. And the PoPo are out on every street corner.

They have no problem stealing them where I live. They break in to houses in the night for the keys. They drag people out of cars too. The fact that people are indoors and is no impact.

and is has

Employees from restaurants and café's will have to get different jobs.

What different jobs??? This is delusional. We're going to lose about 6.5 million jobs yet miraculously there will be enough for everyone to get a new one?

How do the majority of the construction industry work from home? DH drives dump trucks and loading shovels and digging thingys... he's not going to be doing that in my sitting room

If they can't work from home they don't have to! Only pubs, bars, restaurants shops etc are shut. They are still building houses where I live and other jobs where people can't work at home are continuing.

Cafes and restaurants will reopen

And they are still building houses where I am.

What different jobs??? This is delusional. We're going to lose about 6.5 million jobs yet miraculously there will be enough for everyone to get a new one?

There won't be enough jobs for everyone but there never are. There will be some new jobs. For example more people will be employed in online businesses.